Balanced take on Lawrence Berkeley Lab study

[NoFumus]

E-cigarette study reports how to improve safety

"This is exciting information, as it moves us one step closer towards helping e-cigarette users choose safer devices, and use them in way that will produce fewer toxins. And along those same lines, help e-cigarette companies design safer devices."

Unfortunately, FDA has made it all but impossible to improve product designs.

 

[r77r7r]

Paywall...

 

[NoFumus]

Paywall...

Hmm, not for me. Sorry 'bout that.

 

[Lessifer]

The study itself is behind a paywall.

It's another instance of researchers, possibly intentionally, misusing what they're testing. The abstract doesn't mention what atomizers were used, just that one is single coil and the other is dual. Then they ran both from 3.3v to 4.8v. We already know what happens when you put too much power through an atomizer. It starts burning/dry puff, and it tastes nasty.

 

[NoFumus]

The study itself is behind a paywall.

It's another instance of researchers, possibly intentionally, misusing what they're testing. The abstract doesn't mention what atomizers were used, just that one is single coil and the other is dual. Then they ran both from 3.3v to 4.8v. We already know what happens when you put too much power through an atomizer. It starts burning/dry puff, and it tastes nasty.

I get that, but I appreciated seeing a mainstream (non-vaping) publication taking the time to produce a more nuanced analysis of study's implications, including speaking with experts in the vaping industry.

 

[Izan]

The study itself is behind a paywall.

It's another instance of researchers, possibly intentionally, misusing what they're testing. The abstract doesn't mention what atomizers were used, just that one is single coil and the other is dual. Then they ran both from 3.3v to 4.8v. We already know what happens when you put too much power through an atomizer. It starts burning/dry puff, and it tastes nasty.

The atomizers in the study where marked "Ego" and "Aero". They also did not identify the liquids used beyond initials.
LINKY

Cheers
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[sofarsogood]

The only medical researcher I trust is Dr. F.

 

[Black Forest guy]

There is already someone with a little bit more insight who ripped it apart:

Outpourings of Hot Air - Facts Do Matter


In the meantime this stuff is already making the round in german media. Funny thing to overheat liquid and in fact producing dry hits. Please also have a look at this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160729092221/http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2016/07/27/e-cigarettes-emit-harmful-chemicals-emit-others/

Interesting picture and an interesting point about financing:

"The research was funded by the Tobacco-Related Disease Research Program (TRDRP), which is managed by the University of California and funded by state cigarette taxes."

Can someone please point me to the full text of this "study"? Not the paid one of course. There is no reason to pay for crap.

Thanks, Rainer

 

[Bill Godshall]

For a full text version of this "dry puff vaping" study, send an e-mail request to billgodshall@verizon.net and reference this post.

 

[Black Forest guy]

Thanks a lot, already in work.

This thing is probably developing in the german press over the weekend. For another view i found this as well:

No, they didn't find dangerous new carcinogens in your e-cigarette vapor

The first real newspaper already picked it up (german only)

http://web.archive.org/web/20160729084229/http://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/wissenschaft/Daempfe-von-E-Zigaretten-Forscher-finden-weitere-krebserregende-Stoffe-id38642322.html

I always use archive.org to break bad links. No eCommerce and no SEO ranking for them.

 

[retired1]

Figures. Talbot and Co. have jumped all over that with slobbering glee.

 

[Black Forest guy]

Thats the main problem. The scaremongers welcome these flawed things. Don´t let arguments get in the way of a running campaign.

So our little article is out as well. Sorry, in german:

Wie auch immer… nennt sich halt Studie

 

[OldBatty]

Google Translate

Hopefully that will save someone a few steps...

 

[BackDoc]

The Berkley study is the worst kind of pseudoscience ........as one would expect coming from Berkley

 

[VapieDan]

What is the methodology? Controls? Just the usual press release of dubious findings.

 

[BackDoc]

And the public will buy it just like they believe the sound bites from the mainstream media ...non discriminating sheep believing "authorities"

 

[choochoogranny]

They're "smoking stuff" at Berkley........again? Isn't Haight Asbury nearby?

 

[bobwho77]

Insanity is repeating the same mistakes, and expecting different results

 

[BackDoc]

Yes choocho , they are both in the vicinity , decades of anti establishment devotees whom have become liberal democrats and now, unfortunately,who run the establishment , elitest, and "enlightened"ones showing us the way

 

[bobwho77]

Yes choocho , they are both in the vicinity , decades of anti establishment devotees whom have become liberal democrats and now, unfortunately,who run the establishment , elitest, and "enlightened"ones showing us the way

Most of the liberals I know (myself included) support keeping the government out of matters of personal choice.
There are plenty of blue-nosed moral crusaders on the RIGHT side of the aisle, too. It doesn't matter what their motivation is. The end result is the same.
Don't let vaping get turned in to just another partisan issue