Bitter taste invading my mouth

[melodiousThunk]

Just 2¢ from a DYI'er of +4 years…

PG has a very bitter taste. You might try tasting a drop of VG, then a drop of PG to see how your taste buds read them. People's sensitivity to bitter flavors apparently spans quite a broad gamut.

Also, if you have been vaping only 100% VG unflavored, it is extremely likely that your taste buds are used to the sweetness of VG, and therefore, the PG tastes even more bitter. That is my situation. When I first noticed PG tasting extremely bitter, I searched on ecf & found a number of very helpful threads in the DIY section. Sorry I don't have links, this was several years ago.

At any rate, I found quite a few posts mentioning the bitter taste of PG. And I also found that many vapers experience vaper's tongue after a few months-year of vaping. cng114 suggested trying to re-set the taste buds with a menthol vape. I've had good luck with that myself. Because I am highly sensitive to PG, I had to continue using VG, but I mixed in 15% distilled water (which is really high). It did work.

Recently, however, I have had a very persistent case & I have had to reduce my vaping to almost none, and I'm still in the process of hopefully resetting my flavor receptors. Good luck!

 

[Nimaz]

Danny55, I hope you're doing well. Just get my tests results the other day and want to share... With a lung cancer removed 4 years ago now, I'm cancer free so I'm relieved in that matter. The blood test came up fine, cholesterol back to normal levels, and A1c is not that bad with my type 1 diabetes that I manage for about 25 years now. Can be better though... A couple of liver enzymes are a bit higher than average but not that dramatic and I need to discuss that with my PD. Maybe the statins I'm taking for my cholesterol. The radiologist diagnosed mild emphysema and that is been bugging me. I'm not too surprised with the many years of smoking but it still bugs me... I'm just getting the entire smoking related lung diseases menu in my plate. The good thing is that I'm not smoking anymore, thanks to vaping. This emphysema was not seen in an Xray that I took about a month ago nor in a cat scan that I had a year ago. I've been running 3 to 5 miles and swimming daily for about 4 month now... Even before my cancer diagnosis I was in excellent shape running and training on a regular basis... I've been doing that since I'm a kid. As well as smoking I'm guessing. Naturally, I'm asking myself how vaping may affect my emphysema and read posts around this topic. Best is not to inhale anything else but clean air... Impossible nowadays. Vaping is still about staying away from smoking for now and my deductive mind keeps building an ongoing reasoning and setting about vaping safely... I am coming with interesting thinking but still need to dig further. My gut feeling tells me to manage my vaping schedule and rate to a daily minimal... and develop a well balanced nutrition pattern, which I am not unfamiliar with but rather negligent. I'm gonna work on it, but not today.

 

[d.g.]

There are a lot of reasons behind bad taste startig from something simple as bacteria on the tongue to acid reflux to inflamed salivary gland(accompanied by neck pain)

I would check the tongue first to see if there is any yellow or white coating. Espcially towards the back of your tongue. If that is the case, you have 4 solutions that ideally you should implement at the same time;

1- scrape your tongue with a tongue scraper regularly

2- use mouth wash - dont drink or eat anyrhing at least 30 minutes after that

3- increase water intake

4- check your noseto see if it is blocked all the time and if you are breathing from your mouth a lot - particularly while sleeping. If it is blocked, start with simple solutions such as using a saline solution every night before going to bed and use breathe right.

I am not a doctor. Ideally you would want to see a ENT specialist but there is nothing to be alarmed of.

 

[Danny55]

Quite a long post ahead!

Hi Nimaz,

Sorry I only just revisited this forum and saw your post. Firstly, congratulations on a fine result! Wow, had no idea you've been through such a traumatic time with lung cancer. Clearly stopping smoking and going to vaping has kept you free of that over 4 years which is great. From what little I know about type 1 and type 2 diabetes, I guess type 1 diabetes means daily injections? Regarding emphysema, yeah, not inhaling means not really getting the nicotine into your body which I'm going to assume is the bottom line? Considering your situation, would it be worthwhile doing something like nicotine patches for a period of time? Certainly no fun like vaping, but would serve a purpose I guess.


It's very difficult isn't it.We know that for different reasons, quitting vaping would be the best thing to do. But it's very hard to do because when we went from smoking to vaping, we hever really quit anything, we kept the supply of nicotine going and thus our addiction to it. I know for me that I can go for hours without nicotine when I'm out of the house, and people would think well then why don't I just stop altogether. Yes I should. Ultimately though, I need that nicotine fix at some point later in the day or I find it harder to focus on things. I did find taking snuff recently really helped take my vape cravings away. Just a couple of pinches and it sometimes knocked me for six for a few hours. I was going to suggest it for you as it means bypassing the lungs, but then again, it's still tobacco so not a great idea.

I'm doing ok but no change. I've been taking these flucanazole tablets every day at regular times and am on day 8 of 14. The lab test came back for my tongue swab. I called the surgery yesterday and to my disappointment was told 'normal - no action'. I shouldn't be disappointed of course, but only that I was hoping to confirm an infection so that I knew it was something to clear up. But it would seem that after having taken Micanazole, Nystatin and now Flucanazole, and eating pro biotic yoghurts, that I don't seem to have a yeast infection. I think it comes down to simply vaping and that if I were to completely quit vaping for a few weeks or months, my tongue would probably go completely back to normal.

Ah well, I'm in the fortunate position of having recently bought a whole bunch of DIY supplies so have been able to experiment with different PG/VG ratios. PG/VG 70/30 and 50/50 tend to leave a nasty taste and dry my mouth out. Today I'm going to mix a 70/30 or perhaps 80/20 VG heavy recipe up with very low nic (3mg) to see how that goes. I can taste flavours but it's mostly on the exhale that I get a weird taste from the back of my throat and which isn't sweet. I just don't know why my membranes or whatever do that but I guess I'll keep trying and making sure to drink more water

Thank you very much melodius Thunk (great name, did you think of it 'Round Midnight? )
for your thoughts, I've yet to do the taste test of PG and VG.

Thanks d.g. Yeah, I scrape my tongue fairly regularly and sometimes it feels like it helps, although the gag reflex is strong once I go even halfway. I use Corsodyl Daily mouthwash recommended by my dentist. It's alcohol free and the active ingredient is 0.2% w/v chlorhexidine digluconate. I'm curious about Biotene mouthwash which I've seen mentioned on these forums. I don't know if it's any better for my needs. I do have a tube of Biotene oral gel for dry mouth but that doesn't seem to do anything. I certainly need to keep the water intake up. I tend to drink lots on some days and hardly anything on others which is possibly part of my problem.

My nose doesn't feel blocked and I feel I have very acute sense of smell. All my eliquids that taste crap to me all smell delicious. I don't breathe through my nose during the day. My doctor also asked if I breathed through my mouth when sleeping and I don't know. Is 'breathe right' a product to buy, and how would I go about putting together a saline solution?

 

[d.g.]

Right, it is a band that you put on your nose before you sleep. If you are not extremely congested, it helps a lot. I think it is a bit expensive for daily usage but I personally use it couple of times a week. Btw you shouldn't use it more than 12 hours a day.

Regarding mouthwash, I would go with what your doctor suggested. I personally use listerine but it has alcohol in it.

There might be an expensive solution for your gag reflex. I know that tongue scrapers are rather large and that makes you more sensitive, hence gag reflex. You might want to try electronic tooth brush that has a tongue scraper. Since they are much smaller in size, it might be easier to use. But, again, it is an expensive solution. Unless you have very visible coating on your tongue, I wouldn't spend that amount of money just for scraping.

For saline solution, you can make it at home but I personally buy it because it is more hygenic and it is cheap anyway. I either use a generic one from CVS or I buy this: Amazon.com: ARM & HAMMER Simply Saline Nasal Relief - 4.25 oz. - 3 pk.: Health & Personal Care

And yeah, I think you should test PG/VG ratio. Higher PG ratio might help.

Also, if it is just vaper's tongue, you can try vaping unflavoured for 1-2 tanks. That is the fastest solution for me. I buy it from Nude Nicotine sjnce I think it is the purest nicotine you can find. I genrally buy 6% nicotine so I don't mix it with anything. I know that nicotine tends to have a peppery taste and some people hate it but for me Nude Nicotine has the minimal peppery taste.

Remember, vaping is a journey, and it definetly costs a lot of money until you find something you like. I spent more than a year to find my ideal juice, ideal vaporizer and ideal tank. For the last 5 months or so I didn't spend any money except for the juice. Be vigilant and you will find what is best for you too.

 

[d.g.]

One more thing, you can try extreme tastes such as eating cinnamon, or lemon, or chewing a gum with extremely high mentol. Sometimes these work, sometimes doesn't.

 

[Katmar]

Quite a long post ahead!

Hi Nimaz,

Sorry I only just revisited this forum and saw your post. Firstly, congratulations on a fine result! Wow, had no idea you've been through such a traumatic time with lung cancer. Clearly stopping smoking and going to vaping has kept you free of that over 4 years which is great. From what little I know about type 1 and type 2 diabetes, I guess type 1 diabetes means daily injections? Regarding emphysema, yeah, not inhaling means not really getting the nicotine into your body which I'm going to assume is the bottom line? Considering your situation, would it be worthwhile doing something like nicotine patches for a period of time? Certainly no fun like vaping, but would serve a purpose I guess.

Nicotine is absorbed through mucous membranes, so you do not have to inhale. You can hold in your mouth and nose, releasing the vapor out of your nose.

 

[Nimaz]

Quite a long post ahead!

Hi Nimaz,

Sorry I only just revisited this forum and saw your post. Firstly, congratulations on a fine result! Wow, had no idea you've been through such a traumatic time with lung cancer. Clearly stopping smoking and going to vaping has kept you free of that over 4 years which is great. From what little I know about type 1 and type 2 diabetes, I guess type 1 diabetes means daily injections? Regarding emphysema, yeah, not inhaling means not really getting the nicotine into your body which I'm going to assume is the bottom line? Considering your situation, would it be worthwhile doing something like nicotine patches for a period of time? Certainly no fun like vaping, but would serve a purpose I guess.


It's very difficult isn't it.We know that for different reasons, quitting vaping would be the best thing to do. But it's very hard to do because when we went from smoking to vaping, we hever really quit anything, we kept the supply of nicotine going and thus our addiction to it. I know for me that I can go for hours without nicotine when I'm out of the house, and people would think well then why don't I just stop altogether. Yes I should. Ultimately though, I need that nicotine fix at some point later in the day or I find it harder to focus on things. I did find taking snuff recently really helped take my vape cravings away. Just a couple of pinches and it sometimes knocked me for six for a few hours. I was going to suggest it for you as it means bypassing the lungs, but then again, it's still tobacco so not a great idea.

I'm doing ok but no change. I've been taking these flucanazole tablets every day at regular times and am on day 8 of 14. The lab test came back for my tongue swab. I called the surgery yesterday and to my disappointment was told 'normal - no action'. I shouldn't be disappointed of course, but only that I was hoping to confirm an infection so that I knew it was something to clear up. But it would seem that after having taken Micanazole, Nystatin and now Flucanazole, and eating pro biotic yoghurts, that I don't seem to have a yeast infection. I think it comes down to simply vaping and that if I were to completely quit vaping for a few weeks or months, my tongue would probably go completely back to normal.

Ah well, I'm in the fortunate position of having recently bought a whole bunch of DIY supplies so have been able to experiment with different PG/VG ratios. PG/VG 70/30 and 50/50 tend to leave a nasty taste and dry my mouth out. Today I'm going to mix a 70/30 or perhaps 80/20 VG heavy recipe up with very low nic (3mg) to see how that goes. I can taste flavours but it's mostly on the exhale that I get a weird taste from the back of my throat and which isn't sweet. I just don't know why my membranes or whatever do that but I guess I'll keep trying and making sure to drink more water

Thank you very much melodius Thunk (great name, did you think of it 'Round Midnight? )
for your thoughts, I've yet to do the taste test of PG and VG.

Thanks d.g. Yeah, I scrape my tongue fairly regularly and sometimes it feels like it helps, although the gag reflex is strong once I go even halfway. I use Corsodyl Daily mouthwash recommended by my dentist. It's alcohol free and the active ingredient is 0.2% w/v chlorhexidine digluconate. I'm curious about Biotene mouthwash which I've seen mentioned on these forums. I don't know if it's any better for my needs. I do have a tube of Biotene oral gel for dry mouth but that doesn't seem to do anything. I certainly need to keep the water intake up. I tend to drink lots on some days and hardly anything on others which is possibly part of my problem.

My nose doesn't feel blocked and I feel I have very acute sense of smell. All my eliquids that taste crap to me all smell delicious. I don't breathe through my nose during the day. My doctor also asked if I breathed through my mouth when sleeping and I don't know. Is 'breathe right' a product to buy, and how would I go about putting together a saline solution?

Thank you for your response and no worry. Type 1 diabetes, also known as juvenile diabetes occurs early in life at young age. It's an autoimmune disease where the immune system, a subset of T-cells get the good idea to destroy the beta cells of the pancreas, which produce insulin. No more insulin is produced as a result so injection is the only treatment. Type 2 diabetes occurs later in life (or use to) and is more related to an acquire resistance to insulin. Insulin is less effective at promoting glucose take up by cells. Some claims that in type 2, the liver releases too much glucose... but haven't look into the details of that claim. The first treatment is medicines acting on liver glucose production, insulin sensitivity or stimulate insulin secretion and eventual insulin injection when necessary.

I wash my mouth with hydrogen peroxide periodically.... don't know if it may help you but who knows.

Best to you and Happy Holidays!

 

[Gazoo2You]

This might be right out there in left field but I often wonder if this small oral/medical problem might not be a potential reason for some of these complaints?

Tonsillolith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tonsillolith

Tonsilloliths may produce no symptoms, or they may be associated with bad breath, or produce pain when swallowing.[4]

Tonsilloliths occur more frequently in adults than in children. Many small tonsil stones do not cause any noticeable symptoms. Even when they are large, some tonsil stones are only discovered incidentally on X-rays or CAT scans.

Other symptoms include a metallic taste, throat closing or tightening, coughing fits, and choking.

 

[Gazoo2You]

cng114, I am really new here, but am wondering if your coils or wicks aren't burnt and need changing?

You said everything kinda tastes burnt, so I thought I would suggest this.

I have to rewick every 2 tanks of juice. Don't vape at high wattage but must rewick. Every 2nd rewick, I need to throw the whole atomizer into a bowl of water/vinegar and make sure in the air holes under the coils, in the chimneys, or anywhere else, that it is brand new spanking clean again.
The black stuff that gets up there creates a burned/metallic taste if not cleaned out often enough.

Edit: I vape desert juice vapes. Perhaps this is more common to this ejuice, I can't say, but just my experience, and it has become more noticeable, that burned taste, as my vaping time goes on.
Perhaps just becoming more sensitive as time goes on

 

[Danny55]

Hi Gazoo2You, thanks for your help. Actually, I asked my peridontist when I was last there to check the back of my tongue and he said it all looks normal and he threw in that my tonsils looked fine. To be honest, I've now got to the point where although I'm continuing vaping, I cannot think of a single thing anymore that might be the cause. I finished the course of flucanazole and that didn't help any.

Last night I thought I'd try some MTL in my kayfun instead of DLH. MTL I usually sense the flavour better, but seems to do something to the back of my tongue, like a numb feeling to the point I barely taste anything anymore. I noticed that regardless of PG or VG, if I don't vape for a few hours or even a day or two, it only takes me a 3 or 4 toots before I start feeling my mouth losing flavour. I can't seem to detect creaminess in flavours anymore and no flavour ever hangs around in my mouth, only with food. I dunno, I seem to be an oddball as I've not read of any other accounts of my problems.

Look up photos of geographic tongue, that is what mine looks like continuously, and I think it must be that creating this phenomenon. I should really stop vaping for weeks and it would probably clear up. It would probably come back if I started vaping again though. Ho hum, such is life. Could be worse

Hope everyone had a lovely Xmas!

 

[AndriaD]

Hi Gazoo2You, thanks for your help. Actually, I asked my peridontist when I was last there to check the back of my tongue and he said it all looks normal and he threw in that my tonsils looked fine. To be honest, I've now got to the point where although I'm continuing vaping, I cannot think of a single thing anymore that might be the cause. I finished the course of flucanazole and that didn't help any.

Last night I thought I'd try some MTL in my kayfun instead of DLH. MTL I usually sense the flavour better, but seems to do something to the back of my tongue, like a numb feeling to the point I barely taste anything anymore. I noticed that regardless of PG or VG, if I don't vape for a few hours or even a day or two, it only takes me a 3 or 4 toots before I start feeling my mouth losing flavour. I can't seem to detect creaminess in flavours anymore and no flavour ever hangs around in my mouth, only with food. I dunno, I seem to be an oddball as I've not read of any other accounts of my problems.

Look up photos of geographic tongue, that is what mine looks like continuously, and I think it must be that creating this phenomenon. I should really stop vaping for weeks and it would probably clear up. It would probably come back if I started vaping again though. Ho hum, such is life. Could be worse

Hope everyone had a lovely Xmas!

Actually, since it seems to be unrelated to either PG or VG, it sounds like it might be an allergy to some type of flavor(s), or perhaps a sensitivity to something in some type of flavor(s).

When I first started vaping, I enjoyed adding a bit of cinnamon redhot ejuice to my Virginia, to give it a little more bite. After about 6 months of vaping, when presumably and apparently my tastebuds were beginning to emerge from their 39-year coma, I could no longer tolerate even the SLIGHTEST bit of cinnamon redhot, a/k/a cinnemaldehyde; it tastes like burnt metal to me. Even in ejuice where it's a very subordinate flavor -- Capella's Blueberry Cinnamon Crumble comes to mind -- all I can taste is hot metal -- no blueberry, no cinnamon, just the taste of a scorched plumbing pipe.

I wouldn't say this is an allergy, because cinnemaldehyde causes me no other symptoms... but apparently my tongue just doesn't like it, so intensely that it can't even "read" it properly.

Andria

 

[Danny55]

Hi Andria, yeah, it could be certain flavourings. Eating some of words slightly, during my year + of just vaping unflavoured VG and nicotine, my tongue still felt odd, still a bit numb.

This will be my next experiment. I'm going to make up 50/50 liquid, vape MTL and on really low wattage, like 11/12 watts on a higher resistance, similar to what I started with on an evod starter kit two years ago. I know right now that PG makes my tongue a bit sore but bearable. And I know that PG gives me a horrible taste in my throat with direct lung hits. But with MTL on low wattage, it might make a difference. I've tried so many things, I have almost zero optimism of anything working, but what the heck, I have a ton of DIY liquids, might as well make use of them.

Oh and wow, scorched plumbing pipe. Yummy!

 

[Gazoo2You]

Danny55; that was a general question I had. Not directed at you personally. I side on the flavouring as well. But ran across 2 others with similar complaints that were diagnosed with what i mentioned. Was news to me. Never heard of it before that.

 

[Nimaz]

Hi Gazoo2You, thanks for your help. Actually, I asked my peridontist when I was last there to check the back of my tongue and he said it all looks normal and he threw in that my tonsils looked fine. To be honest, I've now got to the point where although I'm continuing vaping, I cannot think of a single thing anymore that might be the cause. I finished the course of flucanazole and that didn't help any.

Last night I thought I'd try some MTL in my kayfun instead of DLH. MTL I usually sense the flavour better, but seems to do something to the back of my tongue, like a numb feeling to the point I barely taste anything anymore. I noticed that regardless of PG or VG, if I don't vape for a few hours or even a day or two, it only takes me a 3 or 4 toots before I start feeling my mouth losing flavour. I can't seem to detect creaminess in flavours anymore and no flavour ever hangs around in my mouth, only with food. I dunno, I seem to be an oddball as I've not read of any other accounts of my problems.

Look up photos of geographic tongue, that is what mine looks like continuously, and I think it must be that creating this phenomenon. I should really stop vaping for weeks and it would probably clear up. It would probably come back if I started vaping again though. Ho hum, such is life. Could be worse

Hope everyone had a lovely Xmas!

I followed your advice in looking at pictures and ended up the reading the Wikipedia summary on geographic tong (GT). If you haven't, look at the Sings and Symptoms section to understand better why your taste is affected by this condition. The causes are unknown but you may find interesting clues that may relate to you with interesting references. The good news is that it's considered as benign. Classified as an inflammatory condition of the mucous membrane of the tong, GT is sometime treated with anti-inflammatory medicines, which are never curative per-se, but effective to relive some symptoms. Hopefully you'll find some helpful tips in there and feel free to ask if you need help to go through the details of some publications.

 

[Danny55]

Hi Nimaz,
Thanks for checking that out, and by the way, I hope things are ok with you!
Yep, the biopsy I had showed nothing sinister and I was basically diagnosed with GT. It does seem that GT is the cause of my problems. What's odd though is that it doesn't affect my taste at all with food, only with vaping. Now that you mention it, I would love to try some anti inflammatory medicine to see if it would work, and if only to see if I could taste eliquid properly. Then I'd know 100% it's GT, plus I'd be able to enjoy vaping.

I happen to have another doctor's appointment booked for the 3rd Jan, so I'll see if she can recommend me anything that she thinks might work. I just read an article which looks promising, but it seems more tests are needed for proof of efficacy and safety. Basically a couple of people were treated (seemingly successfully) for GT with a topical ointment called Tacrolimus. No idea if my doctor will know about that stuff but i'd like to try it, even if it means I can get a referral to a proper ENT.

Geographic tongue treated with topical tacrolimus

 

[AndriaD]

Hi Nimaz,
Thanks for checking that out, and by the way, I hope things are ok with you!
Yep, the biopsy I had showed nothing sinister and I was basically diagnosed with GT. It does seem that GT is the cause of my problems. What's odd though is that it doesn't affect my taste at all with food, only with vaping. Now that you mention it, I would love to try some anti inflammatory medicine to see if it would work, and if only to see if I could taste eliquid properly. Then I'd know 100% it's GT, plus I'd be able to enjoy vaping.

I happen to have another doctor's appointment booked for the 3rd Jan, so I'll see if she can recommend me anything that she thinks might work. I just read an article which looks promising, but it seems more tests are needed for proof of efficacy and safety. Basically a couple of people were treated (seemingly successfully) for GT with a topical ointment called Tacrolimus. No idea if my doctor will know about that stuff but i'd like to try it, even if it means I can get a referral to a proper ENT.

Geographic tongue treated with topical tacrolimus

You know, I dunno if you've considered this, but... I've never been able to taste my vape the way I taste food. Even my 30% flavoring DIY, the flavor is quite muted, compared to *any* food or drink -- it's mostly fragrance. So if you're expecting to taste a vape with the same intensity that you taste food/drink... you may always be disappointed.

Andria

 

[Danny55]

Hi Andria, I think you're basically right. It's just that I'm hanging onto a memory of pretty much the only time I vaped and had that wow experience. Two or three months into vaping, about March 2014, I bought an eliquid, this one Apple Pie & Custard

It was the most sublime vaping, the taste was amazing, I could taste the sweet apple, the pastry and the custard really well. I loved it! It felt like I was eating it, the flavours were real for me, nothing chemical, everything in perfect balance. It was short lived though because it all started going wrong a month later and that's when I began unflavoured VG until a few weeks ago. If I bought that juice again today I doubt I'd taste it properly like I did then. I've got my own flavour art DIY version of apple pie mixed up and currently steeping for a couple of weeks. Doubt it will be anything like as nice though.


So I know that from my own experience, there are some amazing flavours out there to be enjoyed. It's because I have tasted juice like that, with all it's delicious creaminess, fruitiness and sweetness, that I really crave to taste that again. And so it's really frustrating that I can't, and even more frustrating when I read about all these vapers and watch youtube videos of vapers who seem to be in vaping nirvana all the time. I've bought various mods, tanks, atomisers, concentrates and it almost seems like a waste of time. It seems like I should just go back to filling any tank with plain old VG and nic and be done with it, lol. But unflavoured is so boring.

 

[AndriaD]

Hi Andria, I think you're basically right. It's just that I'm hanging onto a memory of pretty much the only time I vaped and had that wow experience. Two or three months into vaping, about March 2014, I bought an eliquid, this one Apple Pie & Custard

It was the most sublime vaping, the taste was amazing, I could taste the sweet apple, the pastry and the custard really well. I loved it! It felt like I was eating it, the flavours were real for me, nothing chemical, everything in perfect balance. It was short lived though because it all started going wrong a month later and that's when I began unflavoured VG until a few weeks ago. If I bought that juice again today I doubt I'd taste it properly like I did then. I've got my own flavour art DIY version of apple pie mixed up and currently steeping for a couple of weeks. Doubt it will be anything like as nice though.


So I know that from my own experience, there are some amazing flavours out there to be enjoyed. It's because I have tasted juice like that, with all it's delicious creaminess, fruitiness and sweetness, that I really crave to taste that again. And so it's really frustrating that I can't, and even more frustrating when I read about all these vapers and watch youtube videos of vapers who seem to be in vaping nirvana all the time. I've bought various mods, tanks, atomisers, concentrates and it almost seems like a waste of time. It seems like I should just go back to filling any tank with plain old VG and nic and be done with it, lol. But unflavoured is so boring.

Hmm, I'd have to agree, no way I could vape unflavored. I know it was probably covered earlier in the thread, but how long since you quit the coffin nails?

Andria

 

[Danny55]

Don't get me wrong, unflavoured is ok and satisfies the need for inhaling and the craving for nicotine. It doesn't taste bad either. It's also an extremely inexpensive way to vape. It's just that you miss out on the flavour experience.

I quit the coffin nails in December 2013, having smoked for about 38 years, although never a heavy smoker. I noticed right towards the end of smoking, a tiny patch developing on my tongue, which I think was the start of my GT. Vaping (or smoking had I continued) I think makes it worse. By the way, I tried going back to mouth to lung the other night and it made my tongue much worse so direct lung hits seems to be better as it somewhat avoids hanging around in my mouth.