Blood test lab results for nicotine levels!!!
Maybe these results should be forwarded to the FDA via snail mail so they can see it and feel it.
Maybe these results should be forwarded to the FDA via snail mail so they can see it and feel it.
I'm still trying to see how this would be a win-win. I think you're assuming that everyone who picks up an e-cig quits cigarettes. There is absolutely no evidence of that. Lots of people are not able to get off of analogs using e-cigs. The reason is that e-cigs are a lousy source of nicotine. It's not even equal to nicotine gum.
For some people it works. For others it doesn't. You may be able to get by with 1/10 the nicotine you did with analogs but many can't.
I'm simply trying to be realistic. You may want to look at this thread
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0-mg-liquids-since-absorbion-rate-so-low.html
Some people on this forum are starting to sound a whole lot like the anti nicotine/smoking crowd.
No wonder I still crave analogs.
Perhaps the "sludge" in a smokers lungs contains Nicotine, thus keeping a constant flow of the drug to the blood supply?
Vaping, being a more pure delivery method, allows the Nicotine to break down more quickly?
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As with anything worthwhile you really have to want it and TRY for it to work... for those of us who did and won, it is wonderful
I'm amazed this thread is still active. Haven't checked for a while. So it goes.
Actually I'm glad it is as I've been able to refine my views a bit in the last few months.
I don't think you were getting nicotine satisfaction because of the sludge, though it is a rather humorous idea.
If You're craving nicotine its because e-cigs are not a very good nicotine delivery system, as all the research points to. Anyone who doubts that is living in La-La land. Some people seem to be able to adapt to that, others are not. I'm interested in those that have problems. If you're using your e-cig and everything is peaches and cream, then good for you. Carry on.
Recently, on another forum dedicated to snus, stories have begun to come out on the failures of e-cigs. I dubbed it the e-cig refuge thread. Some interesting and crazy stuff. All of it dealing with the fact that e-cigs are just not delivering the goods. All the problems appear to disappear when a good source of nicotine is used, in this case snus. There are some good lessons in this for everyone who is interested in reduced harm and helping people get off the cigarettes.
E-cigs have there limitations. They are not gods gift to smokers. What they are is one of a family of reduced harm tobacco/nicotine products, and with little doubt, the one with the worst nicotine delivery. It does have the hand-to-mouth oral fixation thing going for it, but after that it can fall short. I've seen to many threads from people struggling with this issue and getting nothing but very bad advise from nearly everyone on the forum.
If you're pushing the agenda that e-cigs are the only legitimate reduced harm approach, as many on the forum do, and most on this thread have, your dead wrong. It's an ignorant and dangerous viewpoint.
A more sane and effective approach is to recognize all the proven reduced harm products, and use them in whatever combination works. This would include e-cigs, snus, nasal snuff, and dissolvables.
If your chain vaping all day to keep the demons at bay, e-cigs are not working for you. Its time to supplement you e-cig with a more robust form or nicotine. If you've been using the e-cig for a reasonable amount of time and still not able to get off the cigarettes, its time to try other things. Taking this approach would very likely greatly increase the chances of getting and staying off the cigs.
The e-cig fanaticism being pushed by many is not a good thing for the reduced harm movement, and especially for the people for whom e-cigs are not the whole answer.
I really don't understand where all this cynicism is coming from. If it's because electronic cigarettes didn't work for you, sorry to hear that, nothing has a 100% success rate when it comes to addiction, other than death. I cannot speak for everybody, but personally I've tried snus(From experience, I find your sacred snus to be nothing but a joke), I've tried gum, I've tried everything you can think of to stop smoking. Nothing has ever worked, and these e-cigs are working. I have no desire for an analog, none whatsoever, and many others feel the same way. This is only my 3rd day off of analogs so right now should be the time I'm craving it most, right? I'm not quitting smoking to get away from nicotine, nicotine in pure form, as I'm sure you know, has a lot of benefits, I'm quitting to get away from all the carcinogens found in cigarettes.
Nobody is saying that e-cigs are the ONLY legitimate reduced harm approach, you came up with that on your own. Many people are simply stating it's the best that they have PERSONALLY used. This is after all, an e-cig forum...
Also, I liked your comment earlier, about how some people work for a living so they can't spend 8 hours puffing on an e-cig. Your rather ignorant if you believe that all of us spend 8 hours puffing, maybe you should read around a bit more before making statements like that.
And since you seem to be anti-PV (deny all you want but it's blatantly obvious) and pro-everything else, please save us the time from reading your posts on the next visit and just post your thoughts here: Other Alternatives to Smoking - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat
Anti-e-cg... no, I've been supporting e-cigs for some time now, but if we stop asking questions then we're all in trouble. I believe I said that if the e-cig is working for you, carry on, and that was not said with any cynicism behind it. The post you're writing about was specifically for those for whom it is not working.
I would suggest you have a look at this thread
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine.html
If you want to carry on a discussion from there your most welcome to. I've certainly made my share of stumbles and bumbles, but we're all learning here.