Quigs, to me I look at it different. I don't really care about the whole who hurt who's feelings about this chip or that chip or what everyone else says about high power vs low power or any of the fan boy vs fan boy stuff, I'm only looking at the chip for what it is and what it is is SICK...
picture owning a turbo car and wanting to upgrade the turbo and intercoolers and bigger injectors, etc. now what would be the best solution to tune this thing? something like a DFI or motec standalone would be best, allow you to tune everything through a pc interface. that's what the dna200 is, it's like a DFI for your mod
the control this thing allows is miles beyond anything out there, it's pretty techy geeky awesome, can't wait to get it in my hands
don't get me wrong, at first I was put off by the whole lipo and 3 cell thing but truth is no one likes change. the more I look into lipo's and multi cell packs the more I realize how much sense it makes though.
here's my thoughts on it
1) the chip itself is about the size of 2 dna chips in a row. the chip is big yeah, but it's not too bad to deal with. can't tell you how many times I thought of using 2 dna chips in a mod, this is similar to that I guess
2) the whole 200w thing is BS, all that means is it CAN be used up to 200watts, not that it must be used at 200 watts. 200 watts is max, but again, being a dfi it's very adaptable to whatever mod it's installed in. there is no reason why you couldn't use MUCH lower C rated cells and just limit the power level. I have nothing against having an 80 watt temp controlled mod that get's equal life to a good single 18650
3) all the guys out there using standard huge off the shelf 1,000-1,300 RC packs with 30-85c ratings and 200 watts without breaking a sweat is cool I guess in a brick of a mod, but that's not going to work for a bottom feeder cause we need to cram much more stuff into the same space, a bottom feeder is going to have to get a little more creative than that. were going to have to use smaller cells and run less than 200 watts but I think it's possible to make a lipo dan200 bottom feeder that are not much larger than a standard reo woodvil. it's all in the choice of cells.
ok, here's an example. because it's now using a much higher voltage input(3X higher) the amp draw winds up being much less (3X less). this means I can use a much lower C rated cell to get the same power or more.
as an example check these out
that cell is only 12mm in diameter and around the length of an 18650. it's skinnier than a double A battery, slightly biger than AAA, it's equal to a size N in diameter. now fitting 3 12mm round cells wouldn't be too difficult and if you limited the mod to ONLY 100watts you's still be well below the C ratings of these cells and have more overall capacity than most any 18650.
there are many other types of lipo cells and building a 3S balanced pack is not that hard. you can actually use even tinier cells and run them in multiples of 3, for example if you found small 10c cells and used 6 of them, 3 pairs of 2 paralleled then strung together and this would give you double the effective C rating, making it a 20C pack. then theres the whole benefit of square packs for space efficiency
I also ordered some of these
these are only 19mm wide by 7mm thick and again around the length of an 18650. stacked as a 3S pack the footprint would be 21mmX19mm. compare that to the 18mmX18mm footprint of a 18650, it's only slightly larger, but then again, because it's 3 separate slices you can get more creative in there placement and space distribution. this combo would give a mod that you could easily run 150 watts, slightly less capacity overall though, maybe ~ 30% less, but less voltage sag translates to longer usable vape time so the gap would close to even less than that really
the versatility of this 3 cell design is pretty good once you stop trying to run 200 watts without breaking a sweat, the problem is sourcing various good cells in small quantities because legitimate cell manufacturers only sell to legitimate pack builders. our real challenge is finding the best most space efficient cells
picture owning a turbo car and wanting to upgrade the turbo and intercoolers and bigger injectors, etc. now what would be the best solution to tune this thing? something like a DFI or motec standalone would be best, allow you to tune everything through a pc interface. that's what the dna200 is, it's like a DFI for your mod
the control this thing allows is miles beyond anything out there, it's pretty techy geeky awesome, can't wait to get it in my hands
don't get me wrong, at first I was put off by the whole lipo and 3 cell thing but truth is no one likes change. the more I look into lipo's and multi cell packs the more I realize how much sense it makes though.
here's my thoughts on it
1) the chip itself is about the size of 2 dna chips in a row. the chip is big yeah, but it's not too bad to deal with. can't tell you how many times I thought of using 2 dna chips in a mod, this is similar to that I guess
2) the whole 200w thing is BS, all that means is it CAN be used up to 200watts, not that it must be used at 200 watts. 200 watts is max, but again, being a dfi it's very adaptable to whatever mod it's installed in. there is no reason why you couldn't use MUCH lower C rated cells and just limit the power level. I have nothing against having an 80 watt temp controlled mod that get's equal life to a good single 18650
3) all the guys out there using standard huge off the shelf 1,000-1,300 RC packs with 30-85c ratings and 200 watts without breaking a sweat is cool I guess in a brick of a mod, but that's not going to work for a bottom feeder cause we need to cram much more stuff into the same space, a bottom feeder is going to have to get a little more creative than that. were going to have to use smaller cells and run less than 200 watts but I think it's possible to make a lipo dan200 bottom feeder that are not much larger than a standard reo woodvil. it's all in the choice of cells.
ok, here's an example. because it's now using a much higher voltage input(3X higher) the amp draw winds up being much less (3X less). this means I can use a much lower C rated cell to get the same power or more.
as an example check these out
that cell is only 12mm in diameter and around the length of an 18650. it's skinnier than a double A battery, slightly biger than AAA, it's equal to a size N in diameter. now fitting 3 12mm round cells wouldn't be too difficult and if you limited the mod to ONLY 100watts you's still be well below the C ratings of these cells and have more overall capacity than most any 18650.
there are many other types of lipo cells and building a 3S balanced pack is not that hard. you can actually use even tinier cells and run them in multiples of 3, for example if you found small 10c cells and used 6 of them, 3 pairs of 2 paralleled then strung together and this would give you double the effective C rating, making it a 20C pack. then theres the whole benefit of square packs for space efficiency
I also ordered some of these
these are only 19mm wide by 7mm thick and again around the length of an 18650. stacked as a 3S pack the footprint would be 21mmX19mm. compare that to the 18mmX18mm footprint of a 18650, it's only slightly larger, but then again, because it's 3 separate slices you can get more creative in there placement and space distribution. this combo would give a mod that you could easily run 150 watts, slightly less capacity overall though, maybe ~ 30% less, but less voltage sag translates to longer usable vape time so the gap would close to even less than that really
the versatility of this 3 cell design is pretty good once you stop trying to run 200 watts without breaking a sweat, the problem is sourcing various good cells in small quantities because legitimate cell manufacturers only sell to legitimate pack builders. our real challenge is finding the best most space efficient cells
