FDA CDC falsely claims e-cig ads target, addict kids to lobby for FDA sales ban to adults

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OldBatty

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And yes, adults like crayons too. There's a whole market for adult coloring books, and they're not "adult" as in pornographic.

Either I have been asleep or this suddenly exploded in the past few days. Don't do Facebook but my wife does and I saw my first examples just this morning!
 

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I've been coloring for anxiety and stress relief for years. Usually mandalas. I used to have to look for them in the new age section of the bookstore. Now they're everywhere. It's pretty cool though.

Either I have been asleep or this suddenly exploded in the past few days. Don't do Facebook but my wife does and I saw my first examples just this morning!
Yeah, my wife ordered a few books for herself and her sister for christmas. I remember buying coloring books when in college for something to do with friends that was relaxing, to take our minds off studying, and I've always enjoyed coloring with my daughter.

I will also admit that as a man in my mid 30's, I also enjoy the mlp cartoon series, though I would not consider myself a "brony," I don't like all of the cartoons my kid watches, but that one is okay.
 

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I will also admit that as a man in my mid 30's, I also enjoy the mlp cartoon series, though I would not consider myself a "brony," I don't like all of the cartoons my kid watches, but that one is okay.

A bit older than you:rolleyes: but most of the cartoons my kids watched were simple awful! The two exceptions were Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Animaniacs. Those two would have been a nice addition to the Saturday morning cartoons I enjoyed as a kid! Oddly most of which were reruns from the late 40s and 50s. I only liked a very few of the new late 60s cartoons. Weird how humor skips generations...
 

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I agree. That commericial is horrifying. When would that ever happen in real life?

Yeah, I don't think it was "tobacco companies" who put all that junk on the table and turned a bunch of kids loose on it.

Idiots. Their philosophy seems to be, "If the problem doesn't exist, CREATE IT! Then badger everyone about the problem we've created!" IDIOTS!

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For the record, I don't think they are marketing it to kids. Whether they intended it to be highly appealing to children or not, I can't say. But you can't deny that's how it looks. I would hate to be the guy on our side trying to defend against ammo like this though.

I do think it's worth noting that, unless I'm just missing it somehow, they've taken that post off their page.
 

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For the record, I don't think they are marketing it to kids. Whether they intended it to be highly appealing to children or not, I can't say. But you can't deny that's how it looks. I would hate to be the guy on our side trying to defend against ammo like this though.

I do think it's worth noting that, unless I'm just missing it somehow, they've taken that post off their page.
It wouldn't be the first time someone has posted "evidence" that the vapor industry is STILL doing things like this, that turns out to be an outdated photo of a product that no longer appears that way.
 

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It wouldn't be the first time someone has posted "evidence" that the vapor industry is STILL doing things like this, that turns out to be an outdated photo of a product that no longer appears that way.
That may explain why I couldn't find it as well.
 
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That may explain why I couldn't find it as well.
After a few quick google searches it appears this was a fairly recent thing. Pictures were posted possibly as early as late December and have already been removed after community backlash.

We will never have a shortage of people willing to vilify vendors in the interest of "saving" vaping. Unless you believe a vendor is actually trying to get your 10 year old to go out and buy their product, it's not being marketed to kids, no matter how it appears. Giving credence to the lie that adult products, made for adults and sold to adults are somehow being marketed to kids because they may happen to also appeal to children takes away the onus for those making those claims against vaping in general to offer up any actual proof. Vapers believe it about their own industry, why wouldn't everyone else?
 

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Have you not heard of "bronies"? Plenty of adults like mlp these days.

The reality is, you cannot market TO someone who CANNOT PURCHASE your product.

And yes, adults like crayons too. There's a whole market for adult coloring books, and they're not "adult" as in pornographic.

I got one for Christmas and its very relaxing.
 

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Instead of removing the argument from the table, FDA imposed e-cig ad restrictions would just prompt the ANTZ to demand even more advertising and marketing restrictions (to prevent adult smokers and vapers from not only seeing any e-cig ads, but also from seeing e-cig products).

Sadly, this is probably true, and I guess it is already happening with the Intended Use situation.
 

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I agree. That commericial is horrifying. When would that ever happen in real life?

I agree. Frankly, it strikes me as contrived:

Director: "Ok, kids, when you go in there, make sure you're really happy to see all the colorful things on the table. Play with them, they are pretty! And afterwards, if you do really well, we'll get you some ice cream!"

Casting Agent: "Um, ice cream has sugar and milk. Jack lives in a sugar-free and gluten-free household, and Jennie is a vegan."

Director: "Ok, well, then we'll have some yummy kale chips! How does that sounds, kids!"
 

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Do you know how many times i have seen a ad for e-juice zero how many times have i seen the ad for vuse from r.j. reynolds at least 5 times a day on tv. And they failed to bring up things like UV vodka which comes in flavors like birthday cake and bubble gum and ice cream if i had kids and had to pick who to go after i would go after R.J. Reynolds and UV.
 
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Do you know how many times i have seen a ad for e-juice zero how many times have i seen the ad for vuse from r.j. reynolds at least 5 times a day on tv. And they failed to bring up things like UV vodka which comes in flavors like birthday cake and bubble gum and ice cream if i had kids and had to pick who to go after i would go after R.J. Reynolds and UV.

Well Vuse and flavored alcoholic beverages are already taxed, and e-juice are not (or not yet anyways) have something to do with it?
 

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And they failed to bring up things like UV vodka which comes in flavors like birthday cake and bubble gum and ice cream...

Yes, UV has to be going after children, because adults don't like flavors... only children do. That's what Public Health says, and they Know Better(tm).
 

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Ecigs can advertise to kids better than cigs can. With the wide range of flavors and options, kids could be influenced to buy ecigs. While I don't agree with the CDC lying about the impact, I think there will be many more regulations to come regarding ecigs advertisements.
It's not the flavors or the advertising. Kids know this is adult stuff. It's peer pressure
that entices them to smoke or drink. I smoked and I drink. I now vape. I do not
know nor have ever heard anyone that cared what flavor or brand of cigarette
or alcoholic beverage their first one was. The hook is the activity itself.
Choices such as flavors or brands are differentiating choices made after one
starts smoking and or drinking. I see no reason there would be any difference
when it comes to vaping.
Kid's are not influenced to buy anything. They generally swipe their folks stuff
or get it from a friend. After they become regular users purchasing enters the
picture.
Regards
Mike
 
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