I hate to tell you this but unless something can be accomplished in the courts or through congress, that's it, the regs are set, filed yesterday.
FDA Cigar Smokers Just As Angry As Vapers
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I hate to tell you this but unless something can be accomplished in the courts or through congress, that's it, the regs are set, filed yesterday.
WTA eliquid contains no more tobacco than any tobacco-derived nicotine containing juice. In either case, by the time the chemicals are extracted there is no tobacco left.
Double standard government..It's been that way for awhile now.There are currently companion bills in the House and Senate that will take care of cigars if they pass, and if you think some of those congressmen are going without their backroom deals complete with cigars...I know the House bill is HR 662 and has over 160 co-sponsors on both sides of the isle. Irritated me by how many dems are on board with that, but we're the devil.
Larry W. Faircloth (WV State Treasurer) is filing suit against the FDA.
Fight the FDA » Larry W Faircloth; West Virginia
I'm reasonably confident they will still be available as "Art Supplies" at places like Michael's.
It is not just cigars. I went off to some old stomping grounds for MYO and the FDA is going after the lightly cased pipe tobaccos. They are going to reinstate the old tax rule that differentiated cigarette from pipe tobacco by the amount of gunk added(casings.) Daughters and Ryan Tobacco is going to take a big hit and probably go out of business. I loved their Ryeback angel hair cut both when it was cigarette tobacco and then as part of their renamed pipe tobacco line.
And I found some people are dressing themselves up to be Trump's
running mate just in case they lose their job.
But any cigars which were on the market before February 2007 are grandfathered in and do not require a PMTA or SE / SE equivalence application. This means that any new cigars can be approved through the SE or SE equivalence pathways and would not need the much more involved and costlier PMTA pathway.
This is why we can't have nice things.
And not only that, but it clearly shows how screwed up this world is.
We won't be able to fix OUR problem until we can find a way to fix people in general.
That picture is both hilarious and terrifying.
With a tag that indicates they are not for use with tobacco products.
Well that will surely stop pipe smokers from using them to clean their pipes, causing their pipes to become completely clogged with tars, rendering them utterly useless, and forcing all the pipe smokers to give up their filthy, disgusting habit. Right?
The small cigar manufacture makes small batches of premium hand rolled cigars, and the blend changes all the time depending on what is available. The deeming would completely wipe out the small manufacture, just as it would with vaping. The SE pathway would still be far to expensive for the small batches made.
One of the reasons for seeing so much dislike for vaping among cigar people is that many people who vape are all to willing to throw all tobacco products under the bus to get some regulatory advantage (lot of good that has done). To many in the vaping world have turned anti-tobacco, and are all to willing to post the lies of the antis if they think they can get some advantage out of it. Your post is all to typical. The same applies to smokeless tobacco.
As someone who vapes, and also uses smokeless tobacco I find the general holier then thou attitude of many vaping enthusiast to be far to close to that of the ANTZ for comfort.
Well, just stating an obvious fact ( cigars containing tobacco ) that will give cigar smokers an even harder time than vapers to combat these deeming regs.
So their approach to beating theses regs would be from a different angle.
Which may not be such a bad thing. FDA takin heat from two different directions will force them to man more than one frontline. Then bring in the snus division from behind ...
And tobacco sticks, cigars, pipe, snus, snuff, or whatever else, I would like to smoke, vape, snus, snort the way I like. And have no problem whatsoever with others doing likewise.
Live and let live - easy as that.
Swedes were smart enough to get themselves an exemption. Joined the EU only if they were to keep their snus, Rest of the EU it's officially banned. But importing limited quantities for personal use is tolerated in most other EU member states.
Sweden has the lowest percentage of smokers. It also has a very low percentage of lung cancer.
But to Mr. Zeller, that would of course be only 'anecdotal evidence'...
So their approach to beating theses regs would be from a different angle.
Which may not be such a bad thing. FDA takin heat from two different directions will force them to man more than one frontline. Then bring in the snus division from behind
...And tobacco sticks, cigars, pipe, snus, snuff, or whatever else, I would like to smoke, vape, snus, snort the way I like. And have no problem whatsoever with others doing likewise.
Live and let live - easy as that.
Swedes were smart enough to get themselves an exemption. Joined the EU only if they were to keep their snus, Rest of the EU it's officially banned. But importing limited quantities for personal use is tolerated in most other EU member states.
Sweden has the lowest percentage of smokers. It also has a very low percentage of lung cancer.
But to Mr. Zeller, that would of course be only 'anecdotal evidence'...
Agreed. Let's be clear, cigarettes cause all sorts of problems because of the regular use. If ANTZ were being truthful (I know, I know, quit laughing) they would admit that an occasional smoker doesn't have nearly the risks that a regular smoker does, and smokeless tobacco users have hardly any risks at all.
Back when smoking was becoming popular, the average number of cigarettes smoked was around 40 per month, or closer to that of a cigar smoker, and smoking related diseases were rare. Brad Rodu, who has championed our cause almost since the beginning, lays out the risks for each tobacco using population in one of his blog posts: Tobacco Truth: The Health Risks of Cigar Smoking
After reading threw some of this thread. Im begining to think the FDA thought 5/5 was 4/1 April Fools Day by mistake. Waiting for this joke to come to a close, just like everyone else Im sure, vaper and cigar smokers alike.
Either that or they lost thier damn minds...
Either that or they lost thier damn minds...
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