I have been searching and reading posts and reviews and watching vids on clones and real mods for about 2 weeks now trying to determine what I want. I will say while some of the reviews on clones are decent overall they are really lower quality. But in the end I decided to buy a Real Hammer mod and support the real makers cause I want them to stay around and keep coming up with great ideas. and after reading the posts here about why clones are good it just reinforces my opinion on clones and why ill never buy one. Just my opinion though.
"Clones" are actually the REAL THING
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Nice write up SCW. I fear the effort may have been wasted though. Maybe not. If one person sees it that was on the fence it won't have been in vein.
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Nice write up SCW. I fear the effort may have been wasted though. Maybe not. If one person sees it that was on the fence it won't have been in vein.
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He didn't even claim to have filed a patent
He even gave the copycat the decency of accrediting the designer! Which by the way is an open invitation to the designer to contact them for negotiations.
I understand why some people would prefer a clone over an original: They're cheap, some of them work, they look good, ... What I don't get is, why does anybody would feel the need to advertise and plead for them?
I get it, you couldn't find or afford the original, no big deal; but defending those clones and trying to convince others to buy them over the originals... Acceptance? Peace of mind? IDK
I get it, you couldn't find or afford the original, no big deal; but defending those clones and trying to convince others to buy them over the originals... Acceptance? Peace of mind? IDK
So let me add my two cents to this discussion. I have nothing at all against inexpensive vaping devices. I understand that not everyone has the funds or wants to spend $200 for a mod. My only problem comes from manufacturers the sell a device that tries to pass itself off as the real item. Given the choice of buying an inexpensive unique mod or a clone/counterfeit mod, most of the people that use inexpensive mods will choose the clones. Why? I guess it's for the same reason someone would buy a fake Rolex! Think about it. Why else would China make counterfeits instead of just leaving the real modder's logo off it. The device would be the same. It's because they wouldn't sell nearly as many of them because the truth is, peoples ego's are so needy that they want others to think they have the real deal.
Very good example. So with this, why is everyone still planning to stop the counterfeits or persuade people not to buy them knowing that the original modders cant even stop them? Dont see the point of your argument here.
People can try to persuade other people but like I keep on mentioning, to each their own. Everyone is different and everyone isnt coming from where you are coming from. To say your opinion against counterfeits is one thing, but doing everything you can to stop and somehow "force", yes something like peer pressure, others to buy high end expensive parts is unacceptable. Its like teaching someone who wants to learn how to use VV/VW, everyone needs to find their own "perfect spot".
Although one flaw with your example is that if i were to make a doohickey business, i wouldnt prioritize my income if i know its going to be in high demands, keep the money coming by having as little profit instead having one big one, 120 as my base wouldnt get me to 300++ saying that i only need to spend with a machinist a ONE TIME cad file. Trust me, metal tubes like this are not as expensive as you think when it comes to manufacturing, the only long time expense you'll be dealing with is the materials.
Exactly one of my points why ppl buy and make these type of counterfeits.
Im not trying to argue but...
Why do people on here get to advertise, plead, defend and persuade people to buy the originals?
To brag? To have that peace of mind that others shouldnt have it easy and spend the same amount of money they did to have the same experience? To protect others from bad clones? I dont know either.
Im not defending the clones, just being fair on both sides. Vaping community wouldnt be as big as it is now w/o clones because it gives everyone a "CHANCE" to experience, practice and to VAPE. Which is the most important thing if you ask me.
So, if the opinion is against clones/counterfeits should only be expressed once, but if it is the other way you can say as loud and as often as you feel? Why? "Peer pressure"?
Counterfeits are illegal, the fact the modders can't fight them (or don't want to) doesn't make them legal, so there should be peer pressure, otherwise everybody would be doing illegal things as they please (there are not enough policemen or judges in the world to do the job only by themselves).
For me I was all about originals. They way they feel compared to clones, the threading, the anodizing, the insulation, the polish, and yes even the name brand and serial number just to stay unique from my vaping friends.
But as of now with the high prices and this rough economy for me "clones" as far as attys like RDA, RBA, and tube 510 mods have been the way to go. I can get the same vapor, flavor, and battery life out of a clone than I can off an original.
In my eyes and they way this business is booming CLONES and ORIGINALs are both needed to grow this community and to satisfy every consumer. I like them both. I own both. Its nice to compare the clones to the originals aka YouTube video reviews and its a nice discussion with your vape buds at a party or kick back.
Clones are not hated in my book even if they use the exact specs and exact logos.
That said though originals are still the much cooler models out there and you will also get your money back when trying to resell because of the fact of it being original manufactured.
Its not a love hate...its a love, love affair with both.
But as of now with the high prices and this rough economy for me "clones" as far as attys like RDA, RBA, and tube 510 mods have been the way to go. I can get the same vapor, flavor, and battery life out of a clone than I can off an original.
In my eyes and they way this business is booming CLONES and ORIGINALs are both needed to grow this community and to satisfy every consumer. I like them both. I own both. Its nice to compare the clones to the originals aka YouTube video reviews and its a nice discussion with your vape buds at a party or kick back.
Clones are not hated in my book even if they use the exact specs and exact logos.
That said though originals are still the much cooler models out there and you will also get your money back when trying to resell because of the fact of it being original manufactured.
Its not a love hate...its a love, love affair with both.
But there are other "Low End" authentics for cheap prices too.
Dont buy clones or counterfeits because they are "Low End" products man.
A 'clone' which duplicates a registered Trademark (logo) sounds like a counterfiet to me.
So tell me something, are you sure that all of your originals are originals, and not really good counterfiet?
Maybe you're using 'clone' to mean 'obvious knockoff' even with a logo.
I'm relatively new to vaping. One thing that immediately caught my attention was that I belonged to a community, a close one, that it's fighting for its rights as a group. Part of that fight is the development of a better vaping experience; we don't have any industrial empires serving us like in other markets, so we need to protect those who are working to find that ultimate device.
That doesn't mean that in order to achieve that "great vape" you need to invest a ton of money; there are numerous devices that are accessible and original that provide a supreme experience, even from China. You mentioned pbusardo a few posts back; he has access to all the latest and greatest toys available and, as stated by him, he still uses his carto-tanks.
Unfortunately China doesn't follow the same rules, they don't care about development or laws in other countries, so it's up to us, the consumers, to protect our community.
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