Wondering the same.However I'm interested in how they plan on enforcing any of this, and who's budget has funds earmarked to pay for enforcement?
Outsourcing to state agencies?Whats next?
Challenges in court once enforcement starts.
Thats when the FDAs overreach will be tested in court.
Until precedent is set, it's still up in the air.
There is too much money at stake for everyone to just roll over.
However I'm interested in how they plan on enforcing any of this, and who's budget has funds earmarked to pay for enforcement?
You know what, I'm doing just that.Sometimes I wish I could go back to when I was naive...
Not my favorite piece written by you....
Your one comment:
"I don't believe there's any evidence to show that vape is driving down smoking, no. That doesn't mean I don't think there's an effect, just that the temptation to say:" look at the decline in smoking and look at the rise of vaping" is a mistake."
I'd guess that 99% of the people who have posted in this forum, past and present, (and people we all know who vape but don't post here) belies this statement. I'm not saying all who post are 'smoke-free' (but a large percentage are), but even those who are still dual users smoke less cigarettes than they did.
And this 'can't we all get along' stuff:
"Pamela Gorman, of SFATA, put it perfectly in her emailed response to the Cole-Bishop rejection:
“…. we must not (publicly) blame people who don’t understand us....it is important to give people the space..."
While it is true that we shouldn't blame those who truly don't understand vaping, that simply is not the case with most politicians and bureaucrats who have voted (or acted) to restrict vaping. They understand quite well, and they themselves don't "give people space" - they restrict our views from their seminars and work groups, banning people who have the information needed, but again, they already "understand" that information - it's why they don't let those people present their case.
Why nicotine from tobacco? Why not smoking from other forms of tobacco?I understand short term fights, and needing to keep the industry alive long enough to fight. I really wish there was more of a push to separate nicotine from tobacco. We know the PMTA process will kill vaping, either quickly without a grandfather date change, or slowly with the date change as the industry stagnates and dies through the thousand cuts tobacco control will inflict over time.
The TCA itself is horrible legislation, putting vaping within that framework just compounds the problem.
Isn't the correct answer "both" though?Why nicotine from tobacco? Why not smoking from other forms of tobacco?
Specifically, I'm referring to the decline in uptake in adolescents - NOT the effect vape is having on existing smokers. If that's not clear, perhaps I need to make it so.
Ultimately that would be ideal, but that would take revision/repeal of the fsptca itself which I haven't seen anyone ask for. I'd be all for it, since even the cigarette part is bad for public health, for the same reasons it is bad for vaping.Why nicotine from tobacco? Why not smoking from other forms of tobacco?
Back in the olden days when I was a kid, most of our first cigarettes were stolen from an unattended pack left by a parent. All you needed back then was a pack of matches and 1 or 2 cigs from a pack of 20. It was pretty easy to hide if you only took a few at a time from an unattended pack. You could also buy your own once you were hooked since there were no age restrictions back then either. Almost everyone had a smoker in the house, so the supply was available if you wanted it.Specifically, I'm referring to the decline in uptake in adolescents - NOT the effect vape is having on existing smokers. If that's not clear, perhaps I need to make it so.
Specifically, I'm referring to the decline in uptake in adolescents - NOT the effect vape is having on existing smokers. If that's not clear, perhaps I need to make it so.