The deeming released thread is massive. mods delete this if it is inappropriate. I thought it might be a good idea to have a thread dedicated to the marketplace effects and/or disruption now that regs are in action enforcement is possible (or imminent).
Hopefully we can stay on topic with factual evidence or evidence based opinons only.
The one thing I keep seeing is stating that the USPS cannot legally ship vape gear and liquid. I don't believe that is true at all. Unless the PACT Act is modified, there are zero laws currently in place other than specific States prohibiting mail order. tobacco products are not the same classification as cigarettes and other products specified in the PACT Act.
Overseas orders should be fine unless they include post 8/8 released gear. And it will be a crap shoot as to how that is enforced. Personally, I hope folks refrain from ordering stuff they know they shouldn't. No sense creating a problem with overseas shipping that could in fact hurt the process for totally compliant gear. The less attention and scrutiny on overseas stuff the better. However, we can most likely expect stories of confiscation of non compliant gear in the future.
From what I understand, there is a distinct difference between what is considered an "importer" and "manufacturer". To stay insulated from the manufacturer designation you simply can't modify the product or packaging. For individuals like us we are just importers for personal use. Vape shops can avoid manufacturer designations by simply reselling anything but not modifying, mixing, or building anything. I think many will go that route. Just sell popular stuff and rely on standard retail margins to stay afloat. Avoiding inspections and registrations is probably a good idea if you can remain profitable.
Age verification is taking on multiple shapes now. And it's going to be a PITA over the short term but should become organized and easy. I understand concerns about personal info being released to all kinds of different sources. That will be an individual decision on risk/reward. I'm sure members will be posting positive and negative feedback as we go. The one question I have is delivery without signature. Seems like vendors are taking care of point of sale but not delivery. I don't know what is compliant and what isn't so if anyone has insight, please provide.
Nic base is an unfinished product so it skirts th regs for now. I would keep an eye on that though. Unfinished product direct to consumer may be addressed and it may come suddenly. Imo- buying nic base for personal use does not make the user a manufacturer. Similar analogy would be brewing your own beer. You are not a brewer subject to anything unless you sell it. Flavorings are in the same boat for now. Unfinished product.
I'm personally not worried about paypal/credit card companies. If they pull out they can disrupt the market but with billions of dollars to be spent yearly, I'm certain a secure payment system will always be available. Paypal/credit card companies make a lot of money from vape transactions. They are probably reluctant to pull out as it is. I just don't see electronic transactions creating a barrier on this. We should be totally fine there but just my opinion.
Hopefully we can stay on topic with factual evidence or evidence based opinons only.
The one thing I keep seeing is stating that the USPS cannot legally ship vape gear and liquid. I don't believe that is true at all. Unless the PACT Act is modified, there are zero laws currently in place other than specific States prohibiting mail order. tobacco products are not the same classification as cigarettes and other products specified in the PACT Act.
Overseas orders should be fine unless they include post 8/8 released gear. And it will be a crap shoot as to how that is enforced. Personally, I hope folks refrain from ordering stuff they know they shouldn't. No sense creating a problem with overseas shipping that could in fact hurt the process for totally compliant gear. The less attention and scrutiny on overseas stuff the better. However, we can most likely expect stories of confiscation of non compliant gear in the future.
From what I understand, there is a distinct difference between what is considered an "importer" and "manufacturer". To stay insulated from the manufacturer designation you simply can't modify the product or packaging. For individuals like us we are just importers for personal use. Vape shops can avoid manufacturer designations by simply reselling anything but not modifying, mixing, or building anything. I think many will go that route. Just sell popular stuff and rely on standard retail margins to stay afloat. Avoiding inspections and registrations is probably a good idea if you can remain profitable.
Age verification is taking on multiple shapes now. And it's going to be a PITA over the short term but should become organized and easy. I understand concerns about personal info being released to all kinds of different sources. That will be an individual decision on risk/reward. I'm sure members will be posting positive and negative feedback as we go. The one question I have is delivery without signature. Seems like vendors are taking care of point of sale but not delivery. I don't know what is compliant and what isn't so if anyone has insight, please provide.
Nic base is an unfinished product so it skirts th regs for now. I would keep an eye on that though. Unfinished product direct to consumer may be addressed and it may come suddenly. Imo- buying nic base for personal use does not make the user a manufacturer. Similar analogy would be brewing your own beer. You are not a brewer subject to anything unless you sell it. Flavorings are in the same boat for now. Unfinished product.
I'm personally not worried about paypal/credit card companies. If they pull out they can disrupt the market but with billions of dollars to be spent yearly, I'm certain a secure payment system will always be available. Paypal/credit card companies make a lot of money from vape transactions. They are probably reluctant to pull out as it is. I just don't see electronic transactions creating a barrier on this. We should be totally fine there but just my opinion.
