Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[LoveVanilla]

I think something Else that is Kinda getting Glazed Over in all this, and something that Mr. Zeller has stated Repeatedly, is that what we are seeing Today is a "Foundation Framework" for Regulations.

And it Isn't like their Won't be More Bad News coming down the Pipe in the Future.

Absolutely! To date they have only put the noose around our neck and tightened. Shall we should fight now, or after they kick out the chair?

The FDA are creating a new class of Drug War criminals for prosecution and punishment -- ex-smokers.

 

[zoiDman]

I stopped supporting PBS a few years ago...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sible-under-regs.556527/page-23#post-12988597

This latest interview you have posted above...
Makes me just as sick as the one that made me stop supporting them years ago...

Don't Shoot the Messenger.


Not say'n PBS is Perfect. No Media Outlet is. But you could do a Lot Worse than the PBS Newshour IMO.

I think the Questions that were asked of Mr. Zeller were Relatively Devoid of Agenda and or Bias.

 

[7sixtwo]

We're a couple years away still.

Maybe, or maybe not. The SOB's at the FDA have now put their cards on the table; i.e. they want to destroy vaping entirely, (outside of whatever trash BT puts out). I trust nothing that they say, including time tables, which could be changed. Even if they stick to the 24 months, as that date approaches, gear will become increasingly expensive.

 

[Empress Kitty]

Meh. I liked the first Clinton. I don't think Part 2 will be much different.

Too political though. I'd vote Klohie or Kourtney before I'd vote Kim. I mean Trump. [emoji13]

Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock.

[emoji1590]Live Long and Prosper[emoji1590]

 

[Wing]

THIS

599 Additives that Can Be Found In Cigarettes

is a list of the nearly 600 additives that the FDA has approved for use in cigarettes

THIS

List of cigarette smoke carcinogens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

is a list of known carcinogens in cigarette smoke.

and THIS

Chantix Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com

is an FDA approved medication for smoking cessation.

but we have to be sure that vaping is safe?

The hypocrisy of this is maddening.

 

[kbeam418]

Here's my question will nicotine no longer be sold for diy? I've been stockpiling mods since I started so I'm prepared hardware wise. But nicotine is what has me concerned. The FDA has been corrupt for a VERY long time and there only focus is money. I'm committed to vape now because the government is telling me I can't.

 

[crxess]

I finally broke down and tried the sample of unflavored that I purchased. I like it.

I can get by with just PG/VG and nic. My stockpiling has begun in earnest.

I will buy my favorite liquid until I can't get it anymore. Each purchase will include an extra 100ml bottle that will go into my freezer. I've already done a test on freezing an unopened bottle for over a year. No loss of flavor nor a change, in comparison, to a fresh bottle.

If the nic content changed, it was so minuscule that I didn't notice. Or it could be I just don't need as much nic as I thought. Either way it was a successful experiment.

Excellent Post Robino1. This could give others some hope for a delayed collapse in their pursuit of Freedom from Smoking.
I understand many Do Not DIY and why they don't. Whether it seems to inconvenient or to Complicated, people should not be forced(by regulation) to make such a choice.
Safe Stocking is a Viable temporary solution.

 

[7sixtwo]

...The result is what you see now.
Big Tobacco will offer outrageously expensive closed-system tamper-proof useless cigalikes.

The end.

FIFY.

 

[Sir Kadly]

- vote for Trump, or at least be part of the politically aware people that tries to discern where he stands with regards to vaping rights

I'm going to propose an entirely different option, one however that only stands a chance if enough other people feel the same way I do. What this country needs is to show both the Dems and the Pubs that we are tired of politics as usual. How? Elect as many 3rd party candidates as possible. Realistically there is one party that has the most chance of success in the most races, and at least on this issue is also philosophically aligned with the interests of vapers. In every race where it is an option we need to do our best to get everyone we know to vote for a Libertarian candidate. That's my thought. Easier said than done.

 

[oldbikeguy]

I can't even formulate the words for my ire.

I can but can't use them here

 

[DPLongo22]

Apologies for not writing up an overview on where we're at. Need more time to digest.

HOWEVER (and similar to @phephner ner above) I'm also of the opinion that the game is now on...

AND I've just come off a call planning the most incredible event the e-cig world has ever seen - stay tuned

NOW you're talkin'!



Lock & load.

 

[thewomenfolk]

In my sick, twisted mind, this is how it probably went down...

Big Pharma said stop those damn electronic cigarettes. They enlisted their minions (ALA, CTFK, AHA, ACS, ALF, etc.) to pester the FDA and start a movement to demonize electronic cigarettes. After a few years Big Government started noticing they were losing money......

No....BIG Tobacco noticed their sales were slipping, BIG Pharma noticed their Nic patches/gum/etc sales were slipping, and BIG FDA GOV didn't like all that HEALTH going on! (Something just HAD to be done.)

 

[DC2]

At this point, Congress has no actions that they do as part of finalizing. It goes to the Federal Registry and 90 days after that, it becomes 'law'.

See step 9 in the linked chart...
http://www.reginfo.gov/public/reginfo/Regmap/regmap.pdf

 

[zoiDman]

Here's my question will nicotine no longer be sold for diy? ...

That is a Very Good Question. I wish I had a Definitive answer I could give you.

I would consider making Purchases accordingly.

 

[AG51]

Apologies for not writing up an overview on where we're at. Need more time to digest.

HOWEVER (and similar to @phephner ner above) I'm also of the opinion that the game is now on...

AND I've just come off a call planning the most incredible event the e-cig world has ever seen - stay tuned

Yes Please I wanna go to da incredibles event

tune me !

 

[DC2]

I can't wait until these hit the market and people start to modify these to accept home made cartos and juice.

Tamper-proof.

Do you think the FDA will regulate and ban big tobacco over priced products when these modified devices start blowing up in peoples faces.

Cigalikes do not blow up, they fizzle.

 

[RedBeard4081]

A vote for ecig regulation is a vote for smoking cigarettes.
Red

 

[SeniorBoy]

The Congressional Review Act

@DC2 sums it up nicely and keeps me honest :
8/8/14 Comment/Letter to FDA by 29 state attorneys general

My own historical perspective:
8/8/14 Comment/Letter to FDA by 29 state attorneys general

and this: CASAA Call to Prepare re FDA Regulations Comments

I'm NOT optimistic on the required action under the CRA.

 

[Katdarling]

Apologies for not writing up an overview on where we're at. Need more time to digest.

HOWEVER (and similar to @phephner ner above) I'm also of the opinion that the game is now on...

AND I've just come off a call planning the most incredible event the e-cig world has ever seen - stay tuned

Oh yeah???????? I am SOOOOOOO staying tuned!!

Thank you, SJ.

 

[Lacit1707]

can someone clarify. I buy premade coils. When will the ban on those take effect? Do i need to start stocking up or is that something under the 2 year provision?