Do you vape cinnamon flavors? Read this!

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  1. Starspecks

    Starspecks Super Member ECF Veteran

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    I have always bought my cinnamon online after discovering there was "fake" (cassia) and "real" (ceylon) cinnamon. The difference between the two can be deadly, no joke, if consumed too frequently or by individuals at a risk already.
    This made me wonder which type of cinnamon was being vaped.
    check out this article here http://www.livestrong.com/article/445647-is-too-much-cinnamon-bad-for-you/
     
  2. Kurt

    Kurt Quantum Vapyre ECF Veteran

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    Thanks for posting this! It is most likely neither that is being used for flavorings, rather it is an artificial mixture of mostly cinnamaldehyde and related esters. There is likely no coumadin in any cinnamon e-liquids.

    That said, the dangers I see from cinnamon vaping have nothing to do with the liver, but from cinnamaldehyde itself. This is a KNOWN lung and mucus membrane irritant and can cause ulcers and lung damage. I know chewing too much cinnamon gum will give me mouth sores. There are many posts here in the Health Forum related to throat, mouth and lung problems from vaping cinnamon e-liquid. To honest, I don't think cinnamon e-liquid should be sold, or else it should have a warning. Some are fine with it, but many get severe reactions that can become quite scary. In almost all cases, the vaper thought it was vaping in general causing the problems, then someone asks what the juice was, and it was Cinnabomb or some such hot cinnamon juice.

    As I said, some do not have any obvious issues with cinnamaldehyde, but the compound does have a long history of causing such problems. I avoid hot cinnamon, as it will also cause a flair up of Crohn's disease, which I have and have to watch diet for.
     
  3. NanoVapor

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    Thanks for that info Kurt. I retail some cinnamon flavors, think I will include a warning of this nature. I have had certain customers (maybe 10% who've tried the flavors) report it irritated their throats too much to use, a small % but I think its a responsible thing to inform people of.
     
  4. Starspecks

    Starspecks Super Member ECF Veteran

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    Glad to know the flavorings most likely don't contain coumarin. I do like some flavors that have the cinnamon "bite" to them occasionally.
    I definitely agree on some sort of warning about cinnamon flavors so people not glued to the forums can identify any sort of reaction. Very nice way to look out for your customers :)
     
  5. Katya

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    Kurt, I've read in the DIY forum that using eliquids containing artificial, water-soluble cinnamon flavoring (as opposed to non-water-soluble cinnamon essential oil) is somehow preferable. Do you concur? What is cinnamon artificial flavoring made out of? Does it contain any cinnamaldehyde?
     
  6. hairball

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    This is good info. Thank you for posting it. I used to use cinnabomb but very sparingly. I finally gave it up but still crave the darn stuff once in awhile. I hope I can continue to avoid it. I like hot cinnamon candy from virginvapor and Annette only uses all organic but I think I'll drop her a PM and ask if she know what her flavoring is made from.
     
  7. Kurt

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    To be honest, Katya, I don't know. I did some searches, but couldn't find what it is exactly. Guesses: cinnamic acid esters or salts. They would be less hot than the aldehyde. Maybe there are other cinnamon-like flavors out there too. Linda at TPA will probably know, and she will tell you too. Safety? Haven't a clue. Cinnamaldehyde is a reactive aldehyde. It will etch some plastics.

    I have had countless PMs from people asking me how much cinnamon is safe, what % to use to make a safe juice, what about water-soluble forms, cinnabun flavor, on and on. I generally say I don't know, but I don't vape cinnamon, and here's why, link to wiki, etc. If people want to vape it, fine. Chances are you won't end up in the ER, or worse, but you might, and I have seen some pretty serious posts here from people who have ended up in the ER, with throats closing up. I don't think it should be sold to vape, but its not my call, nor is it illegal. Its not illegal to sue either.

    We have 1000s of safe flavors to choose from. I personally cannot even eat much cinnamon, so my interest is helping others vape it is pretty limited. My interest in keeping others from having a vaping-related ER visit is pretty high, however, as it should be for everyone else here. 10% of 1000 people is 100 potential threats to us. The media won't care if it is from a flavor.

    Hairball, I don't know what Annette's flavoring is, but an organic extraction of hot cinnamon WILL contain cinnamaldehyde. Has to, organic or not. There are many cinnamons from around the world, some hot, some floral, like Ceylon cinnamon. If it is hot, it has more aldehyde, in general. And a full extract flavoring, which I did not consider before, may contain coumadin.
     
  8. tat2d4life

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    this is very informing.. I went through a phase of vaping "red hots" flavors in my daily joose rotation and could never pin point why I was having troubles such as really heavy chest and very tender throat...I lost my desire for everyday cinnamon flavor and the symptoms have since stopped...
     
  9. Katya

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    Thanks, Kurt!
     
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    bumping the thread:)
     
  12. milo hobo

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    This seems interesting to me. As I've understood, of all the concerns about vaping, flavors have the least evidence of safety. As such, any piece of information on flavor safety needs to be scientifically investigated and used with caution. I have avoided buttery flavors and also now avoid cinnamon.
     
  13. Adik Ted

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    I only just noticed this in that link from the opening post. I bought a tub of sugar free cinnamon gum and had problems with gum infections, something I'd never had before. I did suspect the gum but each time after the infection cleared up I thought "nah, can't be", went in again and it came back. After reading that I'm fairly certain the gum caused it. I also had swelling in the mouth with Ceylon cinnamon toothpicks.
     
  14. ukeman

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    i quit Cinabomb after a month of vaping it daily... sores on lips and mouth.

    Now i vape Snickerdoodle, and i'm sure it has some cinamon flavor and bite to it....

    does anyone know if there is a danger with Snickerdoodle??? it's my favorite flavor.
     
  15. LadyLynx

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    I'm currently going through a cinnamon issue. When vaping anything with cinnamon my throat swells up and feels horrible like when you have an awful head cold. It takes a few minutes but then lasts ALL DAY :S I think I am sensitive to it sadly, and tasty as it is.
     
  16. tybin

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    i think as long as you are not having problems, it'll be ok
     
  17. Eithne

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    I recently found a cinnamon flavor I loved. But after a few hours of vaping I realized it was just too harsh on my throat, made my tongue go numb, and is not a solution for vaping at all. I'll stick to cinnamon gum for that craving, because common sense alone tells me that inhaling the stuff is probably gonna be way too much for me, personally. I'm hoping my switch to a carto system is going to allow for better flavors because the strength of the cinnamon was why I loved it so much!
     
  18. ukeman

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    ok i think there is too much cinnamon bashing going on... jk,
    but where is the post about the health BENEFITS of cinnamon in general? ...there are some, even if vaping it is another story.
    THe OP was showing damage to plastic, and we don't know which juice he was using...
    I vote to name names; juice and vendor, so we can be specific.
    Vaporbomb, Velvet Vapors, Sweet-vapes said no cin oil in Snickerdoodle...but a water based cin flavoring.

    Is there a notable difference between juices with cinnamon oil and cinnamon flavor?
    My intuition (and hope) is that the flavoring is not harmful... maybe less at best; i don't know.
    For now that's enough for me and Snickerdoodle is my go-to juice. I can't handle cinabomb or redhots...that's oil.

    Can cin. flavoring (not the oil) cause tanks to deteriorate as much as the oil? I'm guessing not, but haven't tried it yet in a poly tank tube.
     
  19. keyzygirl

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    I have been vaping cinnamon juices for 2 years.I guess Im lucky because I haven't had any issues from it.I started getting either 24mg coffee or chocolate juices and adding some PG and cinnamon flavor concentrates to them to lower the mg.
     
  20. sh_

    sh_ Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    Its interesting. I am vaping cinnamon flavor for days now and I didnt have any issue so far.

    The juice that I have here is Fireball 18mg from LF. My wife loved it as well and its her favorite flavor.

    Should I be worried?
     
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