Does anyone mix up unflavored nic juice to add flavorings to?

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  1. Necrosis

    Necrosis Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    Been on my mind for a few weeks now, and I don't know what the appropriate terminology would be, but I've been tinkering with the idea of pre-mixing nicotine to my desired end strength, and simply adding flavoring to that... in a nutshell. Why? Time & Convenience. So when I'm mixing a juice, all I have to add is the nicotine juice and flavorings without the added measuring and addition of PG and VG and using/washing more syringes.

    There's a complication with this, and that's that different recipes will have different amounts of flavorings added diluting the nicotine content. I generally vape at 12mg, so my thought is to simply mix a slightly higher level to compensate and simply accept that different juices may differ by up to 3mg in strength.

    Crunching some numbers, if I had a 50/50 pg/vg juice @ 15mg nicotine strength. I don't think I have any juices in my recipe book that uses more than 20% total flavorings, so if I happened to be using 20% total flavorings, it would give me a clean 12mg juice in the end. If I only have 5% flavorings it would be at 14.25mg.

    5% to 20% is my typical range of flavorings, with the majority falling around 10%, perhaps having a 14mg juice off the start might be a good compromise (14mg @10% = 12.6mg) and just accept that there can be a 2.25mg variation between my juices.

    Does anyone do anything like this that might shed their thoughts/experience? I've got over a hundred vials of flavorings, never enough empty bottles, rarely mix a larger 30ml or higher batch of anything, and am so sick of having go measuring nic, pg, and vg every time I feel an itch to make some juices. Seems like this would be an ideal compromise in the interest of labor & time invested, especially if I'm mixing multiple juices. It's not uncommon for me to mix up to 8 experimental batches at a time, and having a pre-diluted unflavored juice for such a scenerio means 16 less measurements to make which is significant.
     
  2. chrismb

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    I'd imagine alot of people do. I certainly do, especially for testing. I don't really notice a huge amount of difference in the nicotine content, certainly not enough to worry about in small batches.
     
  3. FStopFive

    FStopFive Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    I pre-mix my nic base in 500ml batches at 50/50, 18mg. The majority of what I make is at 12%, and I also do 30/70 @ 6% for a few friends who only drip.

    Also, while your math looks like it makes sense (in that there were numbers and percentages, I didn't actually read any of them), do yourself a favor and get a calculator like ejuicemeup. IMO DIY is not something you want to take lightly, and it's also nice to have your recipes saved. Few things feel worse than creating something awesome...and having no idea what you did or how to recreate it...
     
  4. Tom Fuller

    Tom Fuller Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I went as far as to buy the premixed nic base in the strength I like 18mg/ml. I use same 10-15% flavoring effecting my final outcome by 1.75mg/ml at most. I see it as one or two more toots or puffs and I have taken in the same amount. For me more is bad! Less I can "smoke" a touch more and problem solved.


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  5. dannyv45

    dannyv45 ECF DIY E-Liquid Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    It's really no issue at all to premix base. I usually use 12% at the max flavoring and compensate for that when mixing my bulk base. If I'm over or under a little in my final mix I don't really notice it.
     
  6. Necrosis

    Necrosis Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    I actually do use the ejuicemeup program, and the numbers I spit up came from it. Cant imagine mixing anything without it, it's like my lifeline. I keep 3 folders, 1 for finalized recipes that are keepers, 1 for recipes that are "in development", and a the last for failures (good to have access to your old numbers for future reference).
     
  7. Lurch

    Lurch Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I keep a bottle of 50ml 50/50 mix with 12mg nicotine mixed. When I want to try a new flavor I make a very small amount, usually 5ml, sometimes even smaller, to try the flavor. The slight adjustment to the nicotine content doesn't pay that big of a difference in trail sizes I make.
     
  8. dannyv45

    dannyv45 ECF DIY E-Liquid Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Great idea I have about 75 recipes in one folder that sometimes is a bit hard to navigate. I think I need to do some organizing.
     
  9. GaryInTexas

    GaryInTexas Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I keep a 200ml bottle of pre-mixed ready so I can just add flavor and pre-mixed to a bottle and good to go.
     
  10. AmandaD

    AmandaD Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I make up around 250mls of 50/50 (with 5% saline) at 7mg for my own use. I make a lot of testers in 6ml sizes, usually around 5% flavoring (never more than 10%, so as long as my nic strength is around 6mg (more or less) it's fine for me. Even if I make a 30ml bottle (rare) the nic strength is in the ballpark.
     
  11. tkparker

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    Ok so if I have a 6mg VG base how much of a certain flavor would I add to get a decent juice ? Let's say a 15ml bottle since it's what I have in hand?


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  12. Tom Fuller

    Tom Fuller Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    What flavor and from what vendor? Rule of thumb for me is start at 5% and work up. .75 ml or roughly 13-15 drops.


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  13. FStopFive

    FStopFive Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    LOL, that's the exact same thing I do. My "In Development" is called "R&D" though. I also just keep cropped screenshot of the recipes rather than saving them as an actual file. Not sure why really.

    I do enjoy going back to the recipes I put together when first getting started. Wow. Amazing how much knowledge is gained through experience...
     
  14. tkparker

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    Thanks Tom I am using MBV flavors and unflavored MBV 6mg VG base. I just got done mixing 10ml test batch using 8ml base & 2 ml flavor that's the 20% max so if I needed to add sweetener would you say 1 drop to 10ml???


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  15. rowdyplace

    rowdyplace Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Copied from elsewhere on this forum. I made this a "sticky note" on my mixing desk:

    20 drops of "base"
    1 drop of flavor = 5%
    2 drops = 10%
    3 drops = 15%

    "base" is my pg/vg/nic mix.

    Make sure you use the same (size) dropper to standardize the drop size.

    Y M M V...
     
  16. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I vape at 36mg/l.

    I keep a large bottle of 40mg/l 50/50 base on my desk at all times, I make it up a half liter at a time. I know that I can add 10% flavoring to this mix and be right at my 36mg. Makes for easy on the fly calculations. Works great too. Especially for a small bottle of something to-go, or a trial on flavor combinations.

    When I do serious mixology I use "EzMixPro" and the 40mg nic is just one of the ingredients available, in addition to the more potent stuff. If my flavorings and additives are less than 10% total I will usually use the 40mg nic.
     
  17. Necrosis

    Necrosis Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    Glad to see this is not an uncommon practice. I got some mixing to do.


    Lol, I feel like it's the opposite for me. Just like espresso, it's like the more more I know the less I know. Flavor chemistry on it's own is tough enough, let alone my below-avg sense of taste/smell (I'm not a smoker, so it's not that), but tack on the steeping/aging time variable ontop of everything and it's a recipe for madness.
     
  18. DancingHeretik

    DancingHeretik Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Me too. I pre-mix the VG, PG, and nic ahead of time based on the assumption that I'll be using 10% flavoring because that's mostly the percentage I use.

    It's way too much trouble to mix ALL those tiny amounts for every single test batch!
     
  19. Tom Fuller

    Tom Fuller Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sorry it took me so long to reply. The sweetener should always be as little as possible. The sweeteners chew up coils.


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  20. Wingsfan0310

    Wingsfan0310 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    I don't for a few reasons. I vary my PG/VG ratios from 70/30 to all VG with Distilled Water depending on mood. I vary my Nic from 12-18mg/ml. I mix for more than just me. I mix anything fron unflavored to a 6 ingredient recipe with 20-21% flavoring. I like to experiment a lot, so I keep my options open.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with making up a base, it just doesn't work for me! :toast:

    Cheers,
    Steve
     
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