Establishments Banning E-Cigs - 2 reasons

[Ryedan]

1. Misinformation - there's a TON of misinformation about e-cigs out there. They're new and people who know nothing about them are afraid of them, so they just ban them. This is a given and you all know about this so I won't go into it.

Yup. Plus there are people who think that anything involving nicotine use is bad, but I guess that's just more misinformation.

2. Vapers are so blatant about vaping indoors, in public. This is the sad reason because it's our fault.

IMO, the majority of vapers are considerate. I know a lot of us vape only where smoking is allowed or close to those places. OTOH, it only takes one complaint and a new anti vaping rule is likely to be created.

The solution is not to vape indoors in public, or if we must, to stealth vape. I've become good at this over the years to the point that people don't even know I'm vaping if I do so indoors. Discreetly bring my e-cig to my lips, take a drag, hold it in for a while, then just blow whatever vapor remains (which is very little if any if I hold it in long enough) down my chest so no one sees a cloud.

How can we prevent new vapers from drawing this bad attention to our community? Ideas?

You have an opinion and you're assuming it's correct. It's not that simple. You first need to convince people that you have a valid point. I think a lot more homework on your part and a different approach is required before you have any chance of success with this one.

 

[bluecat]

Some places restrict eating food or drinking in their establishments. Whether they are eating a carrot or a burger from Heart Attack grill is doesn't matter. Yeah the carrot is healthier than the burger. Probably has a better smell.

If a security guard came and said no eating allowed in here.. would you say it is just a carrot and give them literature on how healthy a carrot is.

Vaping is a fine line from smoking. To distinguish between the two, like eating, is splitting hairs.

 

[Recon Number 54]

I personally believe that a core issue that non-smokers, businesses and the public in general (I didn't mention politicians, since they have their own agenda and facts aren't going to alter their desires) is due to the term "e-cigarette".

IMO, the term is damning (to the general public) because it equates (or at least associates) vaping to smoking cigarettes. In essence, it is "guilty by association" and as far as the misinformed or uninformed public is concerned it is "smoking by alternate means".

I know that "you can't unring the bell" and that the term "e-cigarette" was initially required or considered to be a good idea in order to attract and entice smokers, I think that in the long term, we as a community are going to suffer from the perception and misconceptions that come with the term.

Sadly, it's a matter of perception and not of facts. Once more, truthiness (in the eyes of the non-vaping public) may be our biggest challenge.

 

[CommaHolly]

I guess I just feel like there HAS TO BE a happy medium between vaping huge clouds everywhere we think we have the RIGHT to vape,,,,,,,

and skulking into the smoking section to whimper and hide our horriffic addiction.

I mean,,,,,,,doesn't there have to be??

some things to remember,,,,,,,

laws are laws, and they sometimes suck,,they should be obeyed,,,,,,,,,,,but they can be changed.

private property belongs to the owners and they have the right to make the rules,,,,,,,,just like you do in your home. However, we have the right to take our business elsewhere,,,,,,,,,,and we have the right (maybe the obligation) to let them know nicely WHY we are taking our business elsewhere.

There's often more than one option,,,,,,,,,,,if vaping is criticized in public places, offer to MOVE the vape further away, rather than stop.

Respect doesn't mean being a big lout and blowing huge clouds of vape into the faces of little old ladies,,,,,,,but neither does it mean rolling over and taking it either.

There's something to be said for vaping in public,,,,,,,,,in that we are educating the public,,,,,,,,,but there's also something to be said for vaping in smoking sections,,,,,,,we educate smokers.

Just my 2 cents, I guess.

 

[Ryedan]

In Red: This is EXACTLY why Vaping has been banned in most places I work or frequent

Today, vaping is banned in most public places.

Pyrate, do you know the bans are the result of people complaining about vapers, or are you assuming they are because it's obvious?

 

[MacTechVpr]

If you behave like your actions are antisocial, you will be viewed as one.

We help no one by behaving as if we were criminals. And frankly I spent too many years of my life being looked down upon by people who were too ignorant to understand my concerns or self-righteous ex-smokers.

Pardon me but **** that noise.

There is no reason for us to legitimize the prejudice of others by reinforcing their own ignorance.

Rather to call attention to oneself and prompt the interest of the rational and naturally curious among us. They are the majority. If not, it's up to us to make it so.

One way, or the other.

Good luck!

 

[zapped]

In all fairness Pyrate you are in Las Vegas. Your bans could just as easily be the result of a mob bos......err dirty politici.......losing money or sales because of e-cigs. There are a LOT of factors that come into play.

I wanted to point out again that when you say vaping is banned everywhere youre only talking about your neck of the woods.Sucks for you and feel for you.I truly do.

I also find it ironic and extremely hypocritical that a city known as a den of vice, iniquity and gambling (everything that makes it fun would ban e-cigs of all things.

 

[stevegmu]

Businesses aren't going to hire extra staff to walk around telling 'concerned' customers the vapor they see coming from other customers isn't smoke. Easier and cheaper just to prohibit vaping. No amount of education will counteract the fact that vapor looks like smoke.

 

[stevegmu]

In all fairness Pyrate you are in Las Vegas. Your bans could just as easily be the result of a mob bos......err dirty politici.......losing money or sales because of e-cigs. There are a LOT of factors that come into play.

It isn't the 1970's. Vegas is run by corporations, not the mafia.

 

[MacTechVpr]

There's always $ or power to be gained somewhere or somehow by politicizing an activity.

Just sayin'.

 

[Fulgurant]

Businesses aren't going to hire extra staff to walk around telling 'concerned' customers the vapor they see coming from other customers isn't smoke. Easier and cheaper just to prohibit vaping. No amount of education will counteract the fact that vapor looks like smoke.

Right. It just isn't worth the individual business owner's time and effort to educate each and every one of his concerned customers. I can't blame anyone for coming to that conclusion, just as I would never advocate that any individual vaper pick a fight with his employer over a vaping policy at work.

But education is the answer -- large-scale and long-term education. The defeat of misinformation at the government level will be a good start. Eventually, in other words, we may come to a point where that individual business owner no longer has to worry about concerned customers -- but it's going to take a long time. In the meanwhile, as individuals ourselves, all we can do is to balance politeness with the desire to spread the word. The original poster is both right and wrong. There's a happy medium between loutish defiance and skittish submission to prejudice.

 

[zapped]

It isn't the 1970's. Vegas is run by corporations, not the mafia.

Whats the difference? Theyre both criminals and highly organized. I LOVE visiting Vegas but you couldnt pay me to do business there.Entirely too complicated, and that was my point. There, perhaps more than any other city in America, are a myriad of factors to consider.

Think about that for a minute, gambling and prostitution are legal in Nevada but e-cigs arent? That doesnt make much sense.

At any rate, I digress.

I maintain that a middle of the road approach is the best in regards to vaping in public and in 4 years here backed by personal experience, have seen nothing to convince me otherwise.

 

[Ryedan]

and skulking into the smoking section to whimper and hide our horriffic addiction.

Smoking areas are public places too and I've never seen a vaper 'skulking' into one or hiding there

but there's also something to be said for vaping in smoking sections,,,,,,,we educate smokers.

I've said the same about vaping in smoking areas a few times here before. Smokers can really benefit from exposure to vaping. I also know that second hand smoke is nowhere near as dangerous as it's made out to be. That's just another example of misinformation the public has heard so many times it has become fact.

Whichever way we chose, doing it respectfully is probably what counts most.

 

[stevegmu]

Whats the difference? Theyre both criminals and highly organized. I LOVE visiting Vegas but you couldnt pay me to do business there.Entirely too complicated, and that was my point. There, perhaps more than most other city in America, are a myriad of factors to consider.

Think about that for a minute, gambling and prostitution are legel in Nevada but e-cigs arent? That doesnt make much sense.

I guess societies without private or publicly held corporations are ideal- like in the days of the Soviet Union...

Prostitution is not legal in Nevada, just certain areas in Nevada.

E-cigarettes are legal in Nevada.

 

[suspectK]

It isn't the 1970's. Vegas is run by corporations, not the mafia.

Corporations, mafia.. both will and have put hits out on people, and do you know the inner details of all those corporations? So who's to say the mob isn't still controlling things. Just because you watched the end of "Casino" doesn't mean you know what's going on in that inner circle..

 

[Dconnor]

I guess societies without private or publicly held corporations are ideal- like in the days of the Soviet Union...

Prostitution is not legal in Nevada, just certain areas in Nevada.

E-cigarettes are legal in Nevada.

Thank you. E cigs are legal in Nevada. As a matter of fact there are something like 28 B&M vape stores in town. That is not counting all the "smoke shops" now trying to get in the game with over priced juice, and clones. All those store are not being supported by tourists! I vape considerately in places all over town, and have never been asked to stop.

And if the mafia still ran things in town, there would not be illegals handing out ...... playing cards all over the strip.

 

[zapped]

I guess societies without private or publicly held corporations are ideal- like in the days of the Soviet Union...

Prostitution is not legal in Nevada, just certain areas in Nevada.

E-cigarettes are legal in Nevada.

NOT going to argue with you about this or turn this political as it only serves to derail this thread.

You may want to visit the Outside where discussions like that are encouraged.You can almost always find a good argument there if youre so inclined and it appears you are. I however am not.

THIS is a thread about vaping, more specifically whether vaping openly or in stealth encourages bans.

The comments about vaping being banned in Las Vegas were directed at someone elses assertion that it was banned everywhere @ their location. Go back and re-read the entire thread to see it in context.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

[Renolizzie]

I live in NOrthern Nevada and there are several brothels within twenty miles of here

If it says no smoking in an establishment, I generally don't vape. However, outside at the tables at Starbucks, I just go ahead a vape my face off. So far, no one has said anything about it. Ecigs are legal in Nevada and I know of no specific bans.

I vape in no smoking hotel rooms. I just don't leave my vape gear out where the maid can see it. It isn't smoke and it doesn't smell like smoke so I don't ask and I don't tell.

I think the odds are against us since it mimics smoking and people don't care that it isn't.

 

[MacTechVpr]

...I also know that second hand smoke is nowhere near as dangerous as it's made out to be. That's just another example of misinformation the public has heard so many times it has become fact...Whichever way we chose, doing it respectfully is probably what counts most.

Youre right on both counts.

My company's corp. pilot once acknowledged to me how our subsidiary's CEO bragged about successfully banning smoking in our office while most of the other CEO's of this consortium tugged on their Havana's at a BoD meeting. He knew the real data. I had prepared the corp information studies on smoking prior and he knew damned well how to mitigate any and all liability while improving the workspace. This was not a cheap org. Nor was he at all concerned about his employee's or client's well being.

I had been the last executive holdout.

There is always something to be gained when the frivolous and powerseeking strive to control the actions of others.

 

[03FXDWG]

The squeaky wheel gets the grease! If we don't squeak, we are going to be stuck in the smoker's corner forever. I started vaping because I was sick of smelling like smoke. I refuse to be subjected to it again. I am NOT SMOKING!