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Exhaled Vapor - Safe for kids?

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  1. hannja

    hannja Full Member

    Sep 17, 2011
    San Jose
    Well, I bought the Jessy M and got it today. Is the exhaled vapor safe for kids to be around? When I smoked before, I smoke outside away from my kids wearing a smoking jacket. Is the vapor just completely water or does it have nicotine? Regardless, I don't plan on vaporing near them but just want to be careful.

    Sorry if this is a noob question.
  2. Stosh

    Stosh Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 2, 2010
    Likely there's very little nicotine in exhaled vapor, but there have been little studied as yet. I wouldn't vape any closer to kids than if I was smoking, just to be safe. Hopefully some unbiased studies will be done soon.......
  3. IB Crow

    IB Crow Full Member

    Sep 15, 2011
    DeMotte, Indiana
    depends on the nicotine content i feel, and also we still arent 100% sure everything in our vapor is 100 percent safe. i do know that there were tests done on PG vapors and inhilation that proved to have 0 effect on the body in amounts up to 200x what a human would absorb, but there are still a few other additives in these things that nobody is 100 percent sure on the safety of so
    keeping it away from kids is a good idea, even a lil bit older ones. even when i vape in public places indoors i always try to keep it on the DL... blowing directly down or into the hood of a hoodie, just because there isnt solid proof these are 100 percent safe for you.
  4. emus

    emus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 9, 2009
    There are health risks breathing emissions from cooking, air fresheners, auto exhaust and air pollution in general.
    I'd bet ecig emissions are safer than the above.
  5. couch magnet

    couch magnet Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 15, 2011
    I thought i read somewere that 99% of it was evaporated once exhaled. But i wouldn't trust this statement.
    I am also concerned about it affecting the tird bag in my avatar....
  6. hannja

    hannja Full Member

    Sep 17, 2011
    San Jose
    Yeah. I figured as much. Better to be safe than sorry.
  7. hellsh0cked

    hellsh0cked Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 14, 2011
    I would love some solid information on this too.
  8. emus

    emus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 9, 2009
    Better safe than sorry willl work.
  9. hannja

    hannja Full Member

    Sep 17, 2011
    San Jose
    What annoys me the most is when people smoke regular cigarettes in a car with the kids in the back seat on a hot day. Do people really not care hurting their kids?
  10. emus

    emus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 9, 2009
    Apparently it's too difficult to measure emissions from vaped 6 ingredient eliquid.
    All the big boys say is they don't know what is in the ecigs; then they push for ban instead of research.

    Give them a 4000 ingredient nasty stick and they can whip up the ingredient list, no problem.
  11. cigarbabe

    cigarbabe Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2010
    I believe most of the nicotine is absorbed into your lung tissue and negligible amounts would be exhaled but do what you need to do. Although if you believe it might be dangerous why are you vaping?
    Aside from trying to quit smoking I presume?
    I'm curious....
  12. Boodle

    Boodle Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Mar 27, 2011
    Las Vegas, NV, USA
    Interesting story at VapeFest today about nic being absorbed second-hand. A guy that's been vaping aprox 1 1/2 yrs vapes in his home near his wife. They work from home so it's a significant amount. He had always smoked outdoors only. When the season started to change from Winter to Soring they weren't using heat or A/C. His wife noticed the smell of vapor lingering in the house with no air moving. She has never smoked/vaped. The husband was concerned about exposing her to nic. They went and had their blood tested. He had nic in his system, she had none.

    This doesn't prove anything with one situation but it reassured me that my hubby (never smoked/vaped) is likely not getting nic (or any measurable amount) from my indoor vaping near him. It was a cool story from a wonderful couple. Vaping changed his life and the life of their 29 y/o son, both tobacco-free and happily vaping.

    Edit: This couple were not vendors. They're vaping enthusiasts like many of us on ECF.
  13. minzos

    minzos Full Member

    Sep 17, 2011
    is the smoke smell strong like shisha smoke|?
  14. johnathan777

    johnathan777 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 18, 2011
    Fort Worth
    Smoke is only produced by combustion "burning material". When vaping you are heating a liquid to the point of vaporizing "steam".
    No smoke is emitted.Nothing is being burned ! Thus no smoke is produced when vaping !
  15. cigarbabe

    cigarbabe Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2010
    There are studies on what is exhaled from using ecigs the best known is the one from New Zealand by Dr. Laugeson et al It states on page # 20
    5. Safety of Ruyan® e-cigarette ‘smoke’ for bystanders.

    Method. Analysis of published data on nicotine absorption, and informal comments of
    bystanders, and observation of e-cigarette smoking indoors.
    Results. Cigarette smoke is a mixture of sidestream smoke and exhaled mainstream
    smoke. In constrast, the e-cigarette generates no sidestream smoke from its (artificially
    lit) tip. Any exhaled PG mist visibly dissipates to vapor within seconds. Non-smoking
    bystanders do not find the mist unpleasant. The mist is odorless, and those close by
    quickly realize it does not have the odor of smoke or the irritating quality of tobacco
    cigarette smoke.
    Comments. Inhaled nicotine in cigarette smoke is over 98% absorbed 6, and so the
    exhaled mist of the e-cigarette is composed of propylene glycol, and probably contains
    almost no nicotine; and no CO. (see Figure 3.5) Lacking any active ingredient or any
    gaseous products of combustion, the PG mist or ‘smoke’ is not harmful to bystanders.
    The ‘smoke’ or mist is not tobacco smoke, and not from combustion – no flame is lit –
    and is not defined as environmental tobacco smoke. E-cigarette “smoking” would be
    permitted under New Zealand’s Smoke-free Environments Act 1990.32

    Here is the link to the complete study.
    Mindful that this is only a single study I will reiterate what I said before "I believe that most of your vapor is absorbed by the lung tissue and poses no health risks to anyone's children or animals". You are of course free to make your own conclusions!
  16. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    May 22, 2010
    Central GA
    I agree that most of the nic is absorbed. Most is absorbed in the tissues of the mouth and nasal passages (if you exhale through your nose). There can be a certain amount of vapor that escapes if you do primer puffs, I suppose, and I wouldn't expect 98% to be absorbed unless you exhale slowly.

    It's certainly a better environment for non-smokers than the side stream smoke from a cigarette. It's a shame that the FDA still publishes the first tests and hasn't done more comprehensive testing since then. Ecig lab reports
  17. sweetmeat

    sweetmeat Super Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 9, 2009
    I don't know for sure but I would probably keep it away from the kids just to be safe. I don't find it as odorless as people claim it to be. My boyfriend is a non-smoker and he can definitely smell it in the air when I've been vaping, if I leave the room and come back in I can smell it too, but it's not at all nasty or objectionable like cigs, more of a faint perfume
  18. emus

    emus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 9, 2009
    Flavorless eliquid vapor is odorless as far as I can tell.
  19. carpedebass

    carpedebass Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 10, 2011
    The Alamo City
    I don't worry about it...but (thank God) I don't have any rugrats in the home anymore. Even if I did, though...I would still vape in the same room. My wife doesn't vape or smoke, and I vape with her right next to me. She rather enjoys the minimal scent.

    Now, what you do is your decision. I don't think anyone is gonna rip on you for NOT vaping with them in close proximity. Do what you feel you need to all means.
  20. rocksmoot

    rocksmoot Full Member

    Sep 16, 2011
    Rogers, Arkansas
    I vape in my cubicle at work, sometimes pretty intensely. No complaints yet, but people may be afraid to say anything :) As far as I can tell there no lingering odor, but the ventilation is pretty good in the room. I wouldn't have any problem vaping around my kids.
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