It appears this is true, unless you submit a Substantial Equivalence or New tobacco product application (as is required by the FDA) AND the FDA denies the application. In that case the product can no longer be marketed or imported.
FDA FDA deeming regulation proposals
- Thread starter rolygate
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
It appears this is true, unless you submit a Substantial Equivalence or New tobacco product application (as is required by the FDA) AND the FDA denies the application. In that case the product can no longer be marketed or imported.
For a small mom & pop operation, absolutely. For a medium or large company that needs to have a business plan looking forward for years, to be able to plan, get financial backing, hire staff, lease commercial spaces, it's a catch-22. How long to hold off, how soon do we need to know our future, how much to invest in what and where...not a great way to run a business.
It's hard to answer that question until we see the FINAL regulations.
As it is we are only able to deal with the proposed regulations as they currently stand.
But the FDA has the prerogative to change them before issuing the final regulations for OMB approval, followed by Congress approval.
But as far as what has been proposed, yeah, what those guys above me said.
Seeing that this would destroy every ecig store , B&M and most vendors like noted, 99% of products potentially. i don't see how OSB or congress could allow it, but they can be some dirty guys. I just hope some descent people see this is wrong as we do and we get another chance. then im sure the FDA will try again in another year or two with something different. and the fight goes on. either way DO have the chance to get this regulation rejected it can happen i have some hope that if we really demonstrate what the massive effect on families who own business, or any business owner, the death blow to the consumer, ect will be then maybe they will see something here. idk
i do see some panic buying going on but its definitely not the right time. well i mean get what you need to feel good, i have gotten a few extra things but i always do lol. i don't think prices would raise if it was worse case they would go down at the end when everybody goes out of business to get them off their shelves and cut their losses but maybe im wrong.
i do see some panic buying going on but its definitely not the right time. well i mean get what you need to feel good, i have gotten a few extra things but i always do lol. i don't think prices would raise if it was worse case they would go down at the end when everybody goes out of business to get them off their shelves and cut their losses but maybe im wrong.
honestly I have been slowly stocking up for the last year and if necessary I suspect I could vape successfully for the rest of my life at this point. Maybe not 100% happily but I could manage well enough not to go back to the cancer sticks. Anything I buy now is because I want to try something new.
I think the real point is figuring out what we can do to make sure we are never forced to live with our stockpiles. That is a far more important task.
I've been vaping for over four years now and been on this forum quite awhlie.I've said it a long time ago but I think it still holds true,we will eventually be having "vape easys" like they had speak easys in the 20's in homes because we can't afford it or it's unavailable.On the point of stocking up I gave my son a bottle of Halo freedom juice,he didn't use it,got it back 2 years later(he kept it in the frig)tasted like it was a week old,good stuff.From all the mods and batteries I have I should be fine for a month or two
The replay of last night's episode of Click, Bang! is up
The Wrath Of Tom Baker - HanaModz Debacle - NYC Lawsuit Update
https://soundcloud.com/vp-live/the-...pdate?in=vp-live/sets/the-click-bang-archives
If you are just interested in hearing the fist-fight between Tom Baker and I, you can jump to the 1 hour 26 minute mark in the broadcast or just use this link to go there directly:
https://soundcloud.com/vp-live/the-wrath-of-tom-baker-hanamodz-debacle-nyc-lawsuit-update#t=1:25:48
The Wrath Of Tom Baker - HanaModz Debacle - NYC Lawsuit Update
https://soundcloud.com/vp-live/the-...pdate?in=vp-live/sets/the-click-bang-archives
If you are just interested in hearing the fist-fight between Tom Baker and I, you can jump to the 1 hour 26 minute mark in the broadcast or just use this link to go there directly:
https://soundcloud.com/vp-live/the-wrath-of-tom-baker-hanamodz-debacle-nyc-lawsuit-update#t=1:25:48
Fist-fight? I heard a lot of "I agree". And, he was the least agitated of all clips or participants. Interesting though... while I disagree with some of his views, and like you, agree with some, either way, I'd still like to read or hear them. Thanks for posting this.
This is President Obama's mindset, "People don't grow businesses, the US Government does."
I still think Mr. "B." is naive but for the most part many of his convictions are rooted in some kind of twisted logic. Sorry to see him banned from ECF. Every worthwhile cause can benefit from a devil's advocate.
Finally in my own little version of "Call To Prepare" and organizing links I've gathered along the way.
#1 on that list is the proposed rule, and just realized today that the original PDF for proposed rule, or very first link in OP of this thread, is now gone. Good news is the third link does replicate that, so not entirely erased from cyberspace.
While reviewing the "Docket Folder Summary" from FDA that contains history of the proposed rule (through today), I see a few things:
- namely what most of us knew in that a new comment area was created, and is current one to use (see here)
- and that new comment area is based on proposed rule as found here
- and am curious if the correction(s) (as noted here) are anything significant?
I don't recall discussing those corrections here on ECF, but perhaps I missed that thread.
#1 on that list is the proposed rule, and just realized today that the original PDF for proposed rule, or very first link in OP of this thread, is now gone. Good news is the third link does replicate that, so not entirely erased from cyberspace.
While reviewing the "Docket Folder Summary" from FDA that contains history of the proposed rule (through today), I see a few things:
- namely what most of us knew in that a new comment area was created, and is current one to use (see here)
- and that new comment area is based on proposed rule as found here
- and am curious if the correction(s) (as noted here) are anything significant?
I don't recall discussing those corrections here on ECF, but perhaps I missed that thread.
Quoted for truth. Even if I read a study saying ejuice is a direct equivalent of Marlboro Menthols at least this ~~~~ tastes better. I'm about to drive to work with a mug full of coffee and a kraken full of Banana Nut Bread. Kiss my ~~~ Marlboro, I'm out!
Smoke-free for a year today. Electronic cigarettes have given me a way to quit smoking. I am confused how it can be labeled as a tobacco product, when it does not contain tobacco. Nicotine is a naturally occurring chemical and can be found in many fruits and vegetables. Electronic cigarettes are not a tobacco product and it would be irresponsible to label it as such.
Derived from Tobacco is just a excuse like others have said targeted towards ecigs so they can try to regulate them.
So what makes me wonder is if they figure out a way to get synthetic Nicotine or get it from Vegetables cost effectivly and such what they would do.
To tax them then would require them to tax Vegetables and Fruits as a Tobacco product by Law,sorry son "a apple a day" requires you to be 18 or older =P
So what makes me wonder is if they figure out a way to get synthetic Nicotine or get it from Vegetables cost effectivly and such what they would do.
To tax them then would require them to tax Vegetables and Fruits as a Tobacco product by Law,sorry son "a apple a day" requires you to be 18 or older =P
I need to wake up already. My first thought was "Why would Dr Who even be involved?".
Last edited:
Yep, this is big government at work. They do it all the time and to other industries and they usually use it as a political tool as well to get people to vote. It doesn't matter if it's the EPA,FDA, FAA, HHS, DHS or the IRS, it's all the same and if you only care when it's you that is personally effected, you are part of the problem. As a person that loathes big government, I'm use to being told I'm evil, hate children, the elderly or whatever and mocked as some weirdo because I think the government should be constrained by US Constitution and limited in it's scope.
This is all to be expected, they won't secure our borders which is required of the Federal Government by law, but they'll sure as heck crush any of us when it pleases them.
just went back and was re-reading this thread(morbid curiousity)...
so, now that the proposed regs have been seriously dissected and the comment period is done.
Do you still think this?
Or do you, like me, almost find it comical how far off most people's first impressions were?
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
