Canadians manage to do it.
Huh? You're gonna need to elaborate a lil.
Canada isn't under the TCA, other countries are not required to follow our laws.
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Huh? You're gonna need to elaborate a lil.
Canada isn't under the TCA, other countries are not required to follow our laws.
For a 1st Offense, I think they Detain you in a Federal Holding area and make you listen to 90 Continuous Hours of Stan Glantz seminars.
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Nope. They have their own laws that make it illegal. Yet somehow, people manage to get it. Just like people in the US manage to get all manner of substances that are illegal here. Nature abhors a vacuum. If there's a demand, there will be a supply, the only real questions are the price (which is determined by the amount of risk involved in providing the supply) and the quality.Huh? You're gonna need to elaborate a lil.
Canada isn't under the TCA, other countries are not required to follow our laws.
That is true and the price would speak volumes.
Could it happen, well sure....but it wouldn't be to the extent that it would be right now (not having to register).
If juice prices soar, which they probably will considering it's $1M+ for each new PMTA flavor, a black market would most definitely be a reality if DIY'ers don't have to register. I'm not disputing this and made it one of my key points for the possibility of DIY registration.
But once or if they do at some point, that would radically alter a black market and prices might go even higher than retail juice. But it would be much more difficult to obtain locally since everyone that's using local nic would have a registration number.
(Now we're talking Breaking Bad)
Those that don't...well, hope you like your bathtub gin for the same price or more?
Cuz going blind would the least of your worries, ya might wind up dead from an untested nicotine overdose!"We got a fresh batch for ya, right off the cooker! Knock out an elephant, we like to call it Nicotanyl."
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Ya know what... Were kinda in a Loop here.
Your Interpretation of the FSTPCA is that it can be Extended to Individuals who are using a tobacco Product for Personal Use. And mine is that it Can't.
It Doesn't Really Matter what the previous FDA thinks/thought they can do. Or what the FDA chooses to Tell or Not Tell a Non-Stakeholder. What Matters is what the Court(s) say the FDA can/can not do.
Just like they did in the Food and Drug Administration v. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp., et al.
And just like they did in Sottera Inc. v. U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
So I guess we will have to leave this Informative "Debate" as Undecided.
Nice try but the folks who would smuggle it would likely source it overseas, and bring it through themselves. It can be obtained. Remember these are people who don't give a crap about he law. Such is the nature of a black market.
Personal use has absolutely ZERO to do with registering, and your reference isn't my viewpoint.
You can use it however you want, you just can't distribute it or allow someone else to obtain it.
The FDA isn't going to sanction DIY'ers for personal use, it'll never happen...even if registration is required.
Personal use is NOT the issue, it's distribution.
They're not willing to answer specific questions pertaining to possible future registration and/or current distribution issues (misplaced, thrown-away, given away, stolen, whatever).
Nobody knows who the FDA is gonna crucify for DIY unauthorized distribution, can't get any answers from them.
But if you were registered, the responsibility would be just as clear as it is for establishments. The tobacco manufacturer would be responsible for unauthorized distribution.
For the time being, and until the courts say otherwise, the laws stand how they're written.
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Yes, 75 mg per day. 5 ml/day * 15 mg/ml = 75 mg/day. Not 75 mg/ml.
I'm at about the same total but reversed. 15ml/day*5mg/ml
I worked mine out to about 25 mg a day. I vape a lot just VERY low nic juice.
Canadians manage to do it.
Yes, we do, sir. Yes we do.
If it came to that, we'd be willing to help a brother out...
Looks like Nicopure lost their battle (Aug 2016):
http://www.clivebates.com/documents/FDAresponse.pdf
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My friend... I think this lake has been all fished out.
Didn't know, haven't been following the law suites.
Zoi's post was the first that I'd seen anything about a recent challenge, but I wasn't aware they were already in litigation and arbitrarily lost.
Anybody know of other suites that have lost as well?
Line up the dominoes, they'll probably all lose....
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