I understand what you are saying and let me be a little more specific - but since I am not a lawyer or a long time vaper, I might not get it all right.Did I not address your concerns directly before?
I think many here are pro reasonable regulations. I think we differ (perhaps greatly) on what makes for reasonable regulations. A lot of times, in a lot of threads, people (fellow vapers) have to paint a picture of vaping right now being inherently dangerous. There are numerous examples of this. You've brought up some. Our actual opposition does it pretty much all the time. IMO, if you do it, and you're a fellow vaper, you ought to be called out on it, and your rhetoric ought to be squarely dealt with. Hopefully if you can dish it out, you can take it.
It is challenging to understand how you can see yourself as "pro" regulation (with pro in quotes) while also noting realization that FDA proposed regs are wrong / too extreme. If you said just the latter part, you'd find that a great majority agree with you. But if you come back and say, "I'm pro FDA regulations" then what is the reasonable expectation there?
With what the FDA proposed in April 2014, there is really no reason (at all) for them to touch flavors in the industry UNLESS they provide another comment period and essentially listen to various parties on what it would mean to go in that direction. Instead, the leaked info indicates that what they told us (explicitly) during proposed deeming was quite likely deception, as in false advertising. And it is inherently unreasonable to think they would do more without a comment period or due process.
I still wonder why any vaper/human thinks there will be "safe" juice post FDA deeming? Chantix is available right now for those who care to quit smoking and is it "safe?"
I can be "pro" regulation and believe that the proposed regulation is too severe, I guess I dont understand what you dont understand about that. I believe in some regulation.
I believe in the FDA testing ejuice to make sure the ingredients specified are what is actually in the juice.
I believe in spot checks (like with any consumable) to check for safe handling, clean work environment, proper procedures, etc (and the etc covers anything I do not know yet about creating ejuice, so I cant be much more specific)
I believe in testing all flavoring for inhalation safety/not just consumption. We have found some flavors to be unsafe to inhale like some menthols and oils. And the stuff that starts with a D that makes the buttery flavor (forgot the name off the top of my head)
I believe that every recipe should be checked for actual levels of nicotine.
I believe that the handling of things like peanuts should be standard so people with allergies dont need to worry
I believe that PG/VG levels need to be checked (since there are many that are sensitive to it)
I also think that when a juice states that it is Kosher that should be verified.
I also think that any juice that causes cracks/breaks in plastic tanks should have a mandatory safety warning so people know not to use plastic tanks when vaping it.
Considering I have been vaping for around a month and a half - I am sure there are other things that should be checked that I have no knowledge of, but I also believe that if the regs were written with the cooperation of people in the vaping industry - they would know they things to look out for more than I do.
I DO NOT believe in making sellers of ejuice pay $1000s per flavor/per nic level/per pg/vg ration is appropriate and that should be done based on each flavor with a recipe for all the variations to check for what I stated above.
As far as manufacturers of Mods, I really cant speak on the subject since I just started using one and am not very knowledgeable yet.
I don't believe vaping is inherently dangerous (I do it) - but I do think that anything consumed should be tested for safety and accuracy. Even a lot of the creators of ejuice agree considering they send their juice out to be "certified" by 3rd parties.
I know that FDA regulations cant guarantee 100% safety but they can check for the things I mentioned and they can have the "spot check" possibility, to increase the odds of maintaining clean and safe environments.
I swear half the comments in this thread imply that if a person thinks regulations can help, then they must think that the government is their savior and if they get involved no harm can come to them. That is not the case. But having a basic level of standards and health checks does provide for more safety then there is now.
I quit smoking to be healthier, I want FDA regulations to help with that quest, not to guarantee it, but to help with it.
Read any of the DIY threads in ECF and you will see things like "don't use this flavor because it has this in it" "don't use this because it has coloring", "don't use this because it makes plastic crack", "don't use this flavoring because it uses real maple syrup", etc. SOME things can be checked, and I think they should be.
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