Five Pawns now on ECF

[JohnD0406]

No more five pawns Castle Long Reserve for me...

At least until I get home from work!!!

Just a question for you and everyone else - I don't mean to judge and everyone has a right to do as they please, regardless of what anyone else thinks about it.

Are you not at all concerned about the dangers of AP? Just taking a step back from flavors we all love and doing a reality check, AP has been shown to cause irreversible lung damage. The walls of the airways in the lungs thicken and harden. The only cure is a lung transplant. That scares the s*** out of me. I have asthma, and when I first went to a specialist, I was having trouble walking up the stairs. Not physically, but when I got to the top of the stairs, I was dizzy and occasionally starting to black out. I'd have to lay down to catch my breath. When it got that bad, I knew it was time to get help. Probably should have gone sooner, but I try to avoid doctors.

When they tested my lung function, I was at 30% capacity. They put me on a strong steroid inhaler - 2 puffs in the morning, and 2 more at night. The problem with that is it's very addictive. It also doesn't last as long the more I used it. At first, it would last 17 hours, then hour by hour, less time before I needed the next puff. Walking to the bus after work, I couldn't wait to get home to get the next puff. I'd ween myself off of it every few weeks so I'd get back to 17 hours, and repeat. Using the steroid inhaler, my lung function was 95%.

Then, I started vaping. I noticed I didn't have the need to use the inhaler anymore. I did my research and found that PG is a bronchiodilator, just like the steroid inhaler (though not nearly as strong). I decided to do a test - I stopped using the inhaler and only vaped. My next breathing test showed I was at 70% lung capacity. The doctor thought something was wrong, until I told her what I was doing. I rarely use my inhalers anymore.

The point is, I KNOW what it's like to have constricted airways. The difference with BO caused by AP is a bronchiodilator doesn't work. By the time you start realizing you have a problem, it's too late.

Just curious if any of you are as concerned as I am about diketones.

 

[Jman8]

Just a question for you and everyone else - I don't mean to judge and everyone has a right to do as they please, regardless of what anyone else thinks about it.

Are you not at all concerned about the dangers of AP?

Slightly. Or about equal to the concern I have that nicotine will constrict my cardiovascular arteries.

Just taking a step back from flavors we all love and doing a reality check, AP has been shown to cause irreversible lung damage.

I don't think it has been shown to do this. More of a scientific hypothesis with correlating data that amounts to existing evidence. It is not really a causal relationship. More like an associative one.

The walls of the airways in the lungs thicken and harden. The only cure is a lung transplant. That scares the s*** out of me. I have asthma, and when I first went to a specialist, I was having trouble walking up the stairs. Not physically, but when I got to the top f the stairs, I was dizzy and occasionally starting to black out. I'd have to lay down to catch my breath. When it got that bad, I knew it was time to get help. Probably should have gone sooner, but I try to avoid doctors.

That sort of pre-existing condition helps understand a larger concern that you might have.

When they tested my lung function, I was at 30% capacity. They put me on a strong steroid inhaler - 2 puffs in the morning, and 2 more at night. The problem with that is it's very addictive. It also doesn't last as long the more I used it. At first, it would last 17 hours, then hour by hour, less time before I needed the next puff. Walking to the bus after work, I couldn't wait to get home to get the next puff. I'd ween myself off of it every few weeks so I'd get back to 17 hours, and repeat. Using the steroid inhaler, my lung function was 95%.

Then, I started vaping. I noticed I didn't have the need to use the inhaler anymore. I did my research and found that PG is a bronchiodilator, just like the steroid inhaler (though not nearly as strong). I decided to do a test - I stopped using the inhaler and only vaped. My next breathing test showed I was at 70% lung capacity. The doctor thought something was wrong, until I told her what I was doing. I rarely use my inhalers anymore.

The point is, I KNOW what it's like to have constricted airways. The difference with BO caused by AP is a bronchiodilator doesn't work. By the time you start realizing you have a problem, it's too late.

Just curious if any of you are as concerned as I am about diketones.

Already gave my answer. If I were significantly more concerned, I'd likely quit vaping (and smoking) rather than think industry will resolve this issue. I also think after this particular issue, there will be another and one after that, so on and so forth. I also think if this were a significant issue, the level of known harm would already be apparent to us as in we'd have known cases of vapers having B.O. I think ANTZ would make sure that info was made as publicly available as possible.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

Some fish are actually witches that were transformed by wizards a long time ago. I saw that on Ancient Aliens. Or maybe it was on Russ' show. One of the two.

"The first messenger, that gave notice of Lucullus' coming was so far from pleasing Tigranes that, he had his head cut off for his pains; and no man dared to bring further information. Without any intelligence at all, Tigranes sat while war was already blazing around him, giving ear only to those who flattered him."

 

[LouisLeBeau]

Arnold, I saw those and got a chuckle but they could shut this thread down. Could you instead post the http with a space so there is no link, and those who want to see that kind of humor, can, and those who don't, need not? Thank you!

Thank you Mods!

 

[zoiDman]

 

[Ca Ike]

Well then, I guess that by this logic, a small number were "misinformed" meaning they were told that there was no AP or DA in their juice. So what was told to the other people who asked? We don't know? When clearly they DID know? Is that not also "misinformed"?

What we are trying to get to, is an admission that there was a clear conspiracy at Five Pawns to withhold information on this subject from EVERYONE who asked. In the absence of an answer that some people or anyone at all, was given the correct information, then the answer to the question is an obvious Yes, We conspired to withhold this information from everyone. Which is further evidenced and supported by five pawns refusal to give the information to Cloud Nine.

This is the essence of a witch hunt. If you were in law enforcement I would have you up on charges of coercing a confession. Which, just happens to be illegal

 

[Robert Cromwell]

if 5 pawns float then they are witches?

 

[zoiDman]

I would Love to see Rob's face when he comes into his Office on Monday and cranks up his Computer while saying...

"I wonder if I got any Posts in that thread I started on the ECF?"

 

[stevegmu]

I think they figured they did more harm than good and gave up...

 

[classwife]

People, look around at where you are, not locking.
This is not "just a thread started on ECF".
This is a sales thread in the Suppliers Forum

Forums > Buying & Selling > E Cigarette Suppliers Forum
Discussion in 'E Cigarette Suppliers Forum' started by Rob Fitz, Wednesday at 4:09 PM.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

Chose to delete what was here cause, well feel it was in poor taste, like I feel post [HASHTAG]#291[/HASHTAG] is in poor taste.

Post [HASHTAG]#305[/HASHTAG] contains much of what was here anyway.

Really hope thread can get back on track of asking legitimate, non hyperbolic questions to 5P and refrain from witch hunting.

I'm sorry, what in post [HASHTAG]#291[/HASHTAG] do you feel was in poor taste? At least anywhere NEAR YOUR asking whether I believe that Five Pawns was as despicable as a fascist dictator who killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 million innocents in the most despicable ways, and all that in a thread intended to be humorous?

Do you not consider yourself an extremist? I searched your name, and the keyword 'Antz". 600 posts. SIX HUNDRED posts. We've been here roughly the same amount of time, and I don't even have 600 posts TOTAL.

I'm not joking about my comparing this with Joseph McCarthy. A little history lesson may be in order. This running around accusing everyone and anyone who disagrees with your idea of what should be taking place in this industry, of being an "Antz", it does have precedent. You are not the first to employ these kind of tactics. Witch hunting. I'm choking on the hypocrisy.

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[zoiDman]

I say we All just take a Break and come back on Monday.

Perhaps then Rob can answer some of the Questions that have been Ask. And things can get back on Track.

 

[Jman8]

I'm sorry, what in post [HASHTAG]#291[/HASHTAG] do you feel was in poor taste?

All of it.

Do you not consider yourself an extremist? I searched your name, and the keyword 'Antz". 600 posts. SIX HUNDRED posts. We've been here roughly the same amount of time, and I don't even have 600 posts TOTAL.

I'm not joking about my comparing this with Joseph McCarthy. A little history lesson may be in order. This running around accusing everyone and anyone who disagrees with your idea of what should be taking place in this industry, of being an "Antz", it does have precedent. You are not the first to employ these kind of tactics. Witch hunting. I'm choking on the hypocrisy.

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I choose to identify the actual enemy of vaping. Others choose to make enemies out of vendors / vapers.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

All of it.
I choose to identify the actual enemy of vaping. Others choose to make enemies out of vendors / vapers.

Sorry Charlie, Starkist wants vapers who understand the difference between "good taste" and "tastes good". I understand that post, to you, didn't "taste good". Good taste, you clearly haven't got much of a clue.

And you may want to check the band on the tin foil. I think you're wearing it too tight. They're not really "everywhere".

 

[stevegmu]

ANTS are everywhere...

 

[Scottitude]

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[LouisLeBeau]

This is the essence of a witch hunt. If you were in law enforcement I would have you up on charges of coercing a confession. Which, just happens to be illegal

Lol.. Thank you for playing Internet Lawyer. Coercion, unfortunately, requires the use of force or threats. And that's threats, not consequences.
Ok, so you don't get points for Internet Law. But, you MAY very well be the BIGGEST BADDEST MAN on the internet today!

 

[LouisLeBeau]

I say we All just take a Break and come back on Monday.
Perhaps then Rob can answer some of the Questions that have been Ask. And things can get back on Track.

Rob is well aware of all of the posts that have occurred this weekend. He hasn't signed in, as he has already been called out for being present and not accounted for.

I have been in the position of being a business owner in crisis mode. I know how it feels. I was battling GM for my financial life. And it wasn't just once.

You do not sleep, or hang out on the beach with your family, while this is taking place. There is no counsel available to him on the weekend, and he won't be responding off the cuff. Whether or not he chooses to fully disclose their mistakes tomorrow, and ends all of the speculation, take their lumps and move on, or not, we won't know until he has conferred with counsel and the other owners. It likely won't be a morning thing.

It's my opinion that Rob came here in the hopes of putting some spin out and watching this blow over. It's pretty clear that's not going to happen. The questions are only going to get more difficult. And they'll persist. I swore in a previous thread when my words got edited in quote to make them appear otherwise than my intent, that I was leaving that thread but not this issue. I'll swear it again. I think there are several, including John, that aren't going to rest until we have the answers we believe are true, or proof that we are wrong.

I feel no remorse. They've brought it on themselves, and continue to harass, and watch others harass and cast dispersions on an innocent retailer for doing what was right. I really do have things I'd rather be doing with my time, but I don't have BETTER things to do with it.

 

[zoiDman]

Rob is well aware of all of the posts that have occurred this weekend. He hasn't signed in, as he has already been called out for being present and not accounted for.

...

Why don't we let Rob Speak for Himself?

 

[Ca Ike]

Lol.. Thank you for playing Internet Lawyer. Coercion, unfortunately, requires the use of force or threats. And that's threats, not consequences.
Ok, so you don't get points for Internet Law. But, you MAY very well be the BIGGEST BADDEST MAN on the internet today!

Threats are not needed. You have stated that you will push until you get the answer you want whether it is there or not. It's no different then the marathon interrogation tactics that lead to the coercion law in the first place. You sir need to study your criminal law history regarding lawful treatment of suspects a bit more.