FOIA Request Results (Open Government Advocacy by CASAA members)

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  1. Placebo Effect

    Placebo Effect Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 19, 2008
    Background: Government agencies, whether at the federal, state, or local level, are all subject to relevant laws regarding the required disclosure of information. E-mails to and from government officials are included in these acts.

    I've always considered myself an open government advocate, and when I realized that I could apply my passion to the e-cigarette issue, I decided to file a series of requests with state and local governments that have banned e-cigarettes indoors, or attacked other smoke-free alternatives. The requests generally seek e-mails from certain employees pertaining to, relating to, or concerning e-cigarettes.

    I'll be releasing the results of these FOIA requests in this thread.

    UP FIRST: Bullitt County, Kentucky, which banned the use of e-cigarettes indoors earlier this year.

    Total Cost: $0, although I was initially told that I would need to pay $8.50 for paper copies of these electronic documents, which is a violation of Kentucky law.
     

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  2. Placebo Effect

    Placebo Effect Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 19, 2008
    Snippets from the Bullitt County results:

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    E-mail sent from Carol Riker of the University of Kentucky's Center for Smoke-Free Policy to employees of the Bullitt County Health Department on December 14, 2010.

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    Snippet from the December 2010 newsletter of the KY Center for Smoke-free Policy.

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    Snippet from the February 2010 newsletter of the KY Center for Smoke-free Policy, in which a BS claim is made about PG being a carcinogen.

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    Inter-office e-mail, written by 'Health Education Coordinator' Cynthia G. Brown. Shockingly, this educator thinks that nicotine is implicated as a danger in secondhand smoke studies.
     
  3. garyinco

    garyinco Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 1, 2010
    CO, USA
    formaldehyde? Now that's a new one...
     
  4. Placebo Effect

    Placebo Effect Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 19, 2008
    SECOND: The University of Tennessee

    Background: The Times Free Press published a report on a university student's testing of e-cigarettes. Smoke and mirrors: UTC student finding out what's in e-cigarettes | timesfreepress.com The article had several inaccuracies, and worse, the student researcher tried to make a story out of the fact that she found a chemical (2-butanol) that is actually used in hundreds of food flavorings.

    Tennessee requires that you be an in-state resident to make a request, so thanks to Steve from PureSmoker.com, as well as other CASAA members in TN who post on ECF, for sending in this request.

    Initially, the request had the student researcher's phone number. The school asked that this information be redacted, which I complied with. Additionally, while not required to do so, I redacted the student's address.
     

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  5. Placebo Effect

    Placebo Effect Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 19, 2008
    Some snippets from the University of Tennessee results:

    The professor ordered supplies from ECigarettesChoice.com, Vapor4Life.com, Greensmoke.com, and VeppoCig.com.

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    E-mails from Professor Christopher R. Dockery of Kennesaw State University in Georgia. Mr. Dockery first presented Professor Gretchen Potts with the idea of studying e-cigs. As you see here, his tests found nothing concerning, which surprised him.

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    Portion of the student research funding application.
     
  6. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jul 23, 2009
    Green Lane, Pa
    "At the very least users will send nicotine and other components back into the indoor air through exhalation, where the whole third hand smoke dangers begin." Oh yes, that third, fourth and fifth hand smoke.

    I love the organized effort of the E Cig industry statement, I wonder what company is funding it, perhaps CASAA is missing the gravy train? Perhaps the E cig industry donated a billion bucks in stock to start up CASAA to provide smokers and legislators the information needed to increase E Cig industry profits? Perhaps pigs fly?
     
  7. sqirl1

    sqirl1 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 10, 2011
    St. Louis, MO
    nothing surprising here. all the stuff we need is probably sent via personal e-mails and discussed under the table between the FDA/WHO/etc. and the drug companies. I'd love to see the day somebody gets their hands on that stuff. I bet they discuss ways to ensure that NRT sales aren't threatened and that tax revenue keeps flowing.
     
  8. Vap0rJay

    Vap0rJay Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 22, 2011
    Maryland
    I love the contradictions LITERALLY back to back. Paragraph one states “we don’t know we don’t know we don’t know” then goes on to talk about smoke which of course we all know it isn’t smoke but regardless the second then goes going from “we don’t know we don’t know we don’t know” to state “…behavior that is known to be harmful to others.”

    ...? I don’t know – but I do know it’s harmful.

    No. You don’t know. You said it 3 times yourself. You DON’T know. GRRR.


    I occasionally would get into itching fits if I chain smoked 2 or 3 analogs back to back. I had to sit in the office at school when in science class we did dissections (i would break out in hives all over my body). In a brand new home that treats the new walls w/ formaldehyde I have trouble breathing. I am ALERGIC to formaldehyde. If e-cigs have formaldehyde, it must be the “kind” I’m not allergic to? ;)
     
  9. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

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    Apr 7, 2009
    Springfield, VA
    Question to anyone in the audience with a chemistry background. Is nicotine a "particulate"? I always thought of a particulate as a very small piece of a solid -- like the particles of partially burned wood in fireplace smoke. I tend to think of nicotine as a liquid. Is this just the amateur interpretation. What exactly is a "particulate"?

    Also, I have ever seen any research that specified nicotine as a harmful ingredient in side-stream smoke or exhaled smoke. I don't think that even in smoke, which contains at least 10 times more nicotine per puff, there is sufficient quantities to even present the least little adverse effect on a bystander.
     
  10. rolygate

    rolygate Forum Manager Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 24, 2009
    ECF Towers
    Perhaps 'particulates' is the right way of describing the individual groups of molecules in a visible vapor cloud. Even clumps of water molecules would qualify as particulates then. The size of any individual grouping could then be measured in microns. Apparently, vapor particles are about ten times larger than smoke particles, and this would need to include the water content as well - so a 'particle' here can consist of anything, although I'm a bit hazy (sorry) about the difference between a particle and a particulate.
     
  11. Thulium

    Thulium Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Referring to e-cig vapor as containing "particulate" is a MAJOR equivocation. Although technically a group of microfine propylene glycol and and water droplets suspended in air could technicallly be labeled a "particulate", this is NOT what is meant by "particulates" when referring to SMOKE which contains SOLID particulate matter including completely (ash) and partially (tar) burnt organic material that is most certainly NOT present in vapor.

    According to Wikipedia's definition, e-cig vapor is an AEROSOL:

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  12. Placebo Effect

    Placebo Effect Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 19, 2008
    Preview of the results of the Madison County Health Department FOIA request.

    Dr. Ellen Hahn of the University of Kentucky arguably libels Dr. Brad Rodu by falsely stating that he is on the Board of Directors of U.S. Tobacco. Dr. Rodu is of course a Professor of Medicine in Tobacco Harm Reduction at the University of Louisville.

    I'm sure the University of Louisville will be thrilled to know that a professor at a competing college is saying that one of their professors is on the Board of Directors of a multi-million dollar tobacco company.

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  13. Ande

    Ande Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 27, 2011
    Korea
    I don't think you could say that she has committed libel, as there was no intent to publish this.

    What she has committed is slander, though- has someone told Dr Rodu about this? perhaps someone should.

    I don't know the man, but his email address is readily available.

    Best,
    Ande
     
  14. JustJulie

    JustJulie CASAA Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jan 30, 2009
    Des Moines, IA
    Slander is verbal; libel is written.

    "Publication" and "publish" have very specific meanings in connection with libel laws. And, yes, in some cases, private emails can be libelous . . . sending an email with a libelous statement to someone other than the person being defamed can constitute "publication."

    I am shocked at how little regard for the truth some of these people have. :(
     
  15. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jul 23, 2009
    Green Lane, Pa
    For once I managed to read ahead after reading the original post or I would have duplicated your comment, but spell checker might have caught "slader", unless I had my urban dictionary plugged in. :p :blink:
     
  16. JustJulie

    JustJulie CASAA Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jan 30, 2009
    Des Moines, IA
    LOL. I'm doing this on an Android tablet, and I'm still trying to figure out the swype-like typing feature. :laugh: I'm getting better, though . . . only took me 5 minutes to correct my post to add that pesky "n." :facepalm:
     
  17. CJsKee

    CJsKee Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 1, 2009
    Oklahoma
  18. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jul 23, 2009
    Green Lane, Pa
    Julie, I loved Swype on my Moto Droid when I got their leaked version well over a year ago (I'm assuming that's the product you have). There were a few quirky ways of handling things, but easier than typing on small devises. Unfortunately I lost it when I rooted my Droid and that has minimized Droid entry for me.
     
  19. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

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    Apr 7, 2009
    Springfield, VA
    You "rooted" your Droid? What does that mean? (I know what a Droid is).
     
  20. Thulium

    Thulium Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Elaine, when dealing with *nix based systems (Android is built on Linux) "root" means full system authority (like on a DOS system if you have admin access to the root directory, you'll have access to all sub-directories) so "rooting" is the Android equivalent of "JailBreaking" an iPhone--giving yourself authority to make any changes since many carriers disable certain features like the ability to "tether" or install unapproved apps.

    In some cases, Jailbreaking or Rooting your phone voids the warranty, and of course the cell phone companies are using any political clout they can find to try and make it illegal to "root" or "jailbreak" so it is certainly something that should be done at your own risk; but being able to decide for yourself what you will or won't install on your smartphone has definite advantages.
     
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