Grand Inquisitor Tom Frieden lets his mask slip

[DrMA]

CDC's "Dr" Frieden coins new term "interventional epidemiology" to depict his vision of policy-based evidence-making and institutionalized bullying for the future of the agency. Looks like he's willing to pursue his lifestyle interference agenda at all costs and by any means necessary. Poor Machiavelli must be stirring in his grave.

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Dr. Tom Frieden Verified account ‏@DrFriedenCDC
In public health, to succeed, you do whatever it takes. Politics and science are both necessary ingredients of interventional epidemiology.
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https://twitter.com/DrFriedenCDC/status/600751634860224512

 

[AndriaD]

CDC's "Dr" Frieden coins new term "interventional epidemiology" to depict his vision of policy-based evidence-making and institutionalized bullying for the future of the agency. Looks like he's willing to pursue his lifestyle interference agenda at all costs and by any means necessary. Poor Machiavelli must be stirring in his grave.

<quote>
Dr. Tom Frieden Verified account ‏@DrFriedenCDC
In public health, to succeed, you do whatever it takes. Politics and science are both necessary ingredients of interventional epidemiology.
<end quote>

https://twitter.com/DrFriedenCDC/status/600751634860224512

Everyone who sees this post should send him a Tweet with a link to Clive Bates' article about if you're public health and the public hates you, you're doing it wrong.

Andria

 

[plumeguy]

The ANTZ are a wealthy hate group which get the vast majority of their money as a cut
of the gross profits from cigarette sales.

Why is anyone surprised they are not happy with adults choosing to vape instead of smoke?

 

[DrMA]

Everyone who sees this post should send him a Tweet with a link to Clive Bates' article about if you're public health and the public hates you, you're doing it wrong.

Andria

I believe you're rather referring to this post by Carl Philips
Dear Public Health: the public despises you, so you are probably doing it wrong | Anti-THR Lies and related topics

 

[Mossy]

"interventional epidemiology"

Is that what you get when you vape to much

 

[Kent C]

CDC's "Dr" Frieden coins new term "interventional epidemiology" to depict his vision of policy-based evidence-making and institutionalized bullying for the future of the agency. Looks like he's willing to pursue his lifestyle interference agenda at all costs and by any means necessary. Poor Machiavelli must be stirring in his grave.

<quote>
Dr. Tom Frieden Verified account ‏@DrFriedenCDC
In public health, to succeed, you do whatever it takes. Politics and science are both necessary ingredients of interventional epidemiology.
<end quote>

https://twitter.com/DrFriedenCDC/status/600751634860224512

How about interventional demonology?

 

[caramel]

In public health, to succeed, you do whatever it takes. Politics and science are both necessary ingredients of interventional epidemiology.
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https://twitter.com/DrFriedenCDC/status/600751634860224512

Great. Let's test the idea. I promise that I will never again touch smokes or vapes if, in exchange of this, the antz are tarred and feathered in Central Park. Let's make a list of quit volunteers and have the government's men with guns do "whatever it takes".

Oh wait. It was actually about "whatever it takes that doesn't affect me", eh?

 

[Uma]

It's a political ploy to disarm America of all sovereign rights. An older tweet by the new Surgeon General goes hand in hand.

 

[caramel]

Doesn't seem to be able to make the difference between a wound and a gun. Possibly as an ER medic he would rush to treat the patient's gun.

 

[caramel]

As for Tom, can we also award him the title of Officer of the Cold Turkey and Master of Soylent Green?

 

[jpargana]

Putting aside for a moment this man's sick need to control other people's lives, "whatever it takes", instead of minding his own {Moderated} business, I really must wonder:
Where exactly is the "science" part in this new "interventional epidemiology" ??
Can any of you see any "science" in all that garbage those people like to spread? What they call "scientific studies", I would call littering.
Am I the only one imagining someone dumping a trash can, every time I read any of said "studies" ??

 

[Kent C]

Putting aside for a moment this man's sick need to control other people's lives, "whatever it takes", instead of minding his own {moderated} business, I really must wonder:
Where exactly is the "science" part in this new "interventional epidemiology" ??
Can any of you see any "science" in all that garbage those people like to spread? What they call "scientific studies", I would call littering.
Am I the only one imagining someone dumping a trash can, every time I read any of said "studies" ??

I'm guessing 'junk science' has gotten too popular of a criticism. Like anything else these types do when something goes out of 'favor', they just change the words - communism is now 'climate change', liberal is progressive - the worst is 'on the dole' > relief > welfare > 'human resources' (the exact opposite concept of what it represents - human drain of resources).

'Interventional epidemiology' is just more junk science to justify intervention into people's lives. Nothing more.

Sorry Tom, changing words is not going to work when people know what you're actually doing and knowing why you're doing it. But to your credit, you rely on people being ignorant - and your educational system and your media lapdogs tend to help in your quest with people not knowing or caring what you're doing and why. But even with that, we found out how incompetent you were with the Ebola scare. I don't expect this new wording is going to change that.

 

[caramel]

Putting aside for a moment this man's sick need to control other people's lives, "whatever it takes", instead of minding his own {moderated} business, I really must wonder:
Where exactly is the "science" part in this new "interventional epidemiology" ??
Can any of you see any "science" in all that garbage those people like to spread? What they call "scientific studies", I would call littering.
Am I the only one imagining someone dumping a trash can, every time I read any of said "studies" ??

The medical profession is generally aware of what's going on:

http://www.mcgill.ca/prpp/files/prpp/leo_alexander_1949_---_medical_science_under_dictatorship.pdf

For the bigger picture google "scientific dictatorship"

P.S. Hi Kent!

 

[AndriaD]

I believe you're rather referring to this post by Carl Philips
Dear Public Health: the public despises you, so you are probably doing it wrong | Anti-THR Lies and related topics

Ah, you're right, I get them mixed up all the time... Sorry, Bates and Phillips!

Andria

 

[Endor]

Tom was incorrect in his tweet. Science has nothing to do with "interventional epidemiology" in today's world, neither at the CDC or FDA. It's pure politics, plain and simple.

That being said, I have serious concerns over any government agency (or head of said agency) using the term "interventional" in the first place. Intervention? Like, what families do to help addicts? Do I need that from my government, especially one that is supposed to have "limited powers"? No, I don't, thanks.

 

[Kent C]

P.S. Hi Kent!

 

[skoony]

interventional epidemiology?
is that like scientific busybodying?
mike

 

[nicnik]

I googled "interventional epidemiology" and saw that not only has it been discussed and attempted for years, it gave birth to translational medicine. Some of this could work in a better world, but it's so vulnerable to corruption that I have a hard time envisioning it not enbling more evil than good. Some of the goals are good, but Tom Frieden demonstrates very clearly how eager people are to abuse it when he says, "at all costs and by any means necessary".

 

[Kent C]

I googled "interventional epidemiology" and saw that not only has it been discussed and attempted for years, it gave birth to translational medicine. Some of this could work in a better world, but it's so vulnerable to corruption that I have a hard time envisioning it not enbling more evil than good. Some of the goals are good, but Tom Frieden demonstrates very clearly how eager people are to abuse it when he says, "at all costs and by any means necessary".

The 'bench to bedside' approach has some application as long as the one at your bedside isn't a gov't bureaucrat ... but that is exactly what the Affordable Care Act does. Both Palin and Gruber were telling the truth.

 

[nicnik]

I googled "interventional epidemiology" and saw that not only has it been discussed and attempted for years, it gave birth to translational medicine. Some of this could work in a better world, but it's so vulnerable to corruption that I have a hard time envisioning it not enbling more evil than good. Some of the goals are good, but Tom Frieden demonstrates very clearly how eager people are to abuse it when he says, "at all costs and by any means necessary".

Replying to myself: I misread. Tom Frieden didn't say "at all costs and by any means necessary". That was how DrMA interpreted Frieden's tweet. I agree with that interpretation. So, although that's not how Frieden said it, his words combined with his deeds highly suggest it.