Health Canada strikes again!

Discussion in 'Media and General News' started by Greg__B, Dec 4, 2013.

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  1. Greg__B

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  3. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    What has Health Canada done with these stores after sending the letter?
     
  4. Greg__B

    Greg__B Senior Member ECF Veteran

    For the most part, absolutely nothing. They continually refer to a press release directing people not to use them as they have not been deemed as safe that they issued in 2009. There has been no further info from them since though. They make the media think that ecigs are illegal in Canada but the simple fact is that that is completely false. This is just the tip of the iceberg of what we are dealing with here in canada as vapers.


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  5. Vocalek

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  6. Greg__B

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    There was also a radio interview with the shop owner that airs today on CBC radio in the maritimes. Just listened to the replay podcast. The show is called Maritime Noon that played on CBC Radio 1 in the Maritime provinces this afternoon. It's a very good interview for the most part and was fairly balanced.


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  7. Greg__B

    Greg__B Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Bingo! Couldn't say it better myself! We vapers here in Canada are dealing with a different kind of fight than you're all dealing with in the states with the FDA, or that's going on in Europe and the UK with the European Union, but make no mistake, we are all in this together! We need to continue to get the word out there and educate people at every opportunity. The current slagging of ecigs in the media is ludicrous we can't stand idle and just hope for the best! I've been listening to Kevin on the VP Live a lot lately, and although I think he's a bit crass, I think he's on the right track with trying to get vendors in the US on board with hiring a PR firm to try to combat the constant barrage of negative press ecigs and vapers are currently being slagged with in the media. We need to fight, but more importantly, WE HAVE TO WIN!



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  8. WillyZee

    WillyZee Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Health Canada is just waiting for the big Tax grab from Big Tobacco ... watch them change their tune when they pass the vape Industry over to BT.
     
  9. cmknight

    cmknight Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Vapers in Nova Scotia need to start getting on their MP's and MLA's Facebook pages, twitter accounts, websites, emails, etc. Bombard your Members of Parliament and Nova Scotia Legislature with the Science and the Facts. Health Canada is spreading lies and Canadians have to stop those lies. Our government has to learn to stop milking the teat of the FDA and ANTZ. Initiate a call to action, now!!
     
  10. Dave_in_OK

    Dave_in_OK Super Member ECF Veteran

    IF Health Canada is interfering with ones livelihood with false claims could some form of class action suite be brought against them?
     
  11. WillyZee

    WillyZee Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    would be very difficult ... and would take extremely deep pockets ... the vape industry is still in it's infancy here in Canada.
     
  12. Greg__B

    Greg__B Senior Member ECF Veteran

    The more we can grow the industry at this point, the better. The bigger we are and the bigger we get, the harder it is for them to stuff the genie back in the bottle.


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  13. AgentAnia

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    Am I correct in understanding that the only basis for Health Canada's actions against ecigs is their 2009 press release and that there is no actual law on the books outlawing ecigs?
     
  14. Greg__B

    Greg__B Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Yes. That's exactly the case. Everything is based of of laws regarding nicotine for medical use. Despite the fact that what we're using is not a medical device. As long as you don't call it that, it's completely legal.


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  15. northhar

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    That is correct, below is a quote from the e-cigarettepolictics.com site on Canada's HC actions..

    The most important is that vendors in Canada must not make health claims..
     
  16. Notorious C.I.G.

    Notorious C.I.G. Senior Member ECF Veteran

    From the article:
    "The concept of vaping is one of concern," said Mohammed Al-hamdani, manager of health initiatives with Lung Association Nova Scotia. "It's a renormalization of smoking behaviour."

    The concept? If it's a form that doesn't kill you, what's wrong with normalizing it? Why can't an alternative to smoking that's magnitudes safer be embraced? I think it is just sigma hard wired into their simple brains... almost bigotry at this point really.

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    Only these zombies don't want our brains, that want or vapes... too bad, they could use some brains :p
     
  17. AgentAnia

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    Apparently Mr. Al-hamdani believes the majority of people are stupid enough not to be able to distinguish between vaping and smoking, or between an ecig and a lit tobacco cigarette. Yessiree, I can see that my ecig (day-glo orange eGo, ProTank mini, red agate drip tip) could be mistaken for a Marlboro red... and my peach-flavored vapor for cigarette smoke... yessiree :facepalm:

    Vaping does not "renormalize" smoking, it "normalizes" vaping!
     
  18. Camay

    Camay Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dave_in_OK: The answer is no. Health Canada is Canadian federal agency. Here, you cannot sue a federal government agency - they are protected by the government immunity doctrine (I am sure Canada has established this doctrine as well). What cmknight is suggesting would be the more appropriate way to handle the situation. It is the exact same procedure that we do here in the states when a tainted law requires an amendment, i.e., we call and write our congressmen to change or alter existing/proposed legislation.
     
  19. Vocalek

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    In the U.S., you can sue a Federal Agency, but cannot collect damages from them. For example, when the FDA issued an order to Customs officials to confiscate shipments of e-cigarettes coming in from China, Smoking Everywhere filed suit in the U.S. District of Columbia, seeking an injunction against the seizures. They had to prove that their business was being harmed and that the seizures were unwarranted to get the injunction, but could not get back all the monies that were lost. Soterra, Inc (d/b/a NJOY) joined in the suit. Many months later, the injunction was granted but then was lifted almost immediately when the FDA appealed the decision. When the appeals court upheld the lower court ruling (re-granting the injunction against product seizures), NJOY was the only plaintiff left because Smoking Everywhere had gone bankrupt.

    BTW: The ANTZ like to claim that the Federal courts ordered the FDA to regulate e-cigarettes as tobacco products. However, it is more accurate to say that this was a suggestion. Judge Leon noted that the FDA had presented no evidence that anyone had been harmed by the product. Nevertheless, if the Agency was concerned about product safety, it had an avenue other than regulating the products as drugs/devices under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act (FDCA). Since the definition of "tobacco product" was so broad that it included any product "derived from" tobacco, the Agency could regulate them as a "modified risk tobacco products" (MRTP) under the Tobacco Act. Little did the judge know that when the ANTZ were done with it, the "Guidance" for approval as an MRTP would be every bit as onerous as the regulations for gaining approval for a new drug or device under the FDCA. You can read the Judge's opinion document and see if you agree with my assessment. http://www.casaa.org/uploads/SE-vs-FDA-Opinion.pdf
     
  20. NorthOfAtlanta

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    This, the government can spend unlimited amounts of our tax money to fight something like this without penalty and bankrupt those who would challenge them. See seat belt and alcohol laws and what they threatened the States with if they didn't tow the line.
     
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