Another ECF member and I were wondering that in an earlier PM. The OP spends most of his time on FaceBook - not here.
Houston, we have a problem...BE nic titration results
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Another ECF member and I were wondering that in an earlier PM. The OP spends most of his time on FaceBook - not here.
Well good as long as someone has heard from him or has seen him out and about in the community!! Whew!!
I hadn't even thought about it to this extent, but you're absolutely right. It starts at the top, and continues all the way down to us. We're doing the same thing, and even selling it for money. I've seen many threads of people selling their stock they don't like. But, distribution is distribution.
At present, BE is guilty of two major things now. One, is the lack of communication pertaining to this important subject, and the second is sending out a letter stating a lie about how it couldn't have gone out wrong. It's almost like Philip Morris telling people that cigarettes don't cause cancer. The mistake that happened is minor, but not owning up to responsibility from the start is the worst part.
I have vaped vendor made juice that has felt either too weak or too strong in the last year and 1/2.
I have also seen numerous posts around the forum where folks were questioning the strength or lack of it in their premade juice. If I vape something too low I quickly start getting withdrawal symptoms. Too high and I get a major headache. So try not to be too fearful and just pay attention to your body for now since that is one of our only options at the moment. You will know when something is not right as far as the nic goes.
I am willing to bet that what I have from BE is going to test low. I never got the nic fix from it and is one of the reasons that it is still in my freezer and never got used.
To me thats like saying if you are killed during surgery by an incompetent surgeon you are as much at fault as he is. After all you should have had the knowledge and expertise to know if he was competent or not.
Most consumers do not have the means or knowledge to test what they purchase and they should not have to.
This is the only nic I use for DYI. Levi is an excellent and responsive vendor....
I've obtained juice before that blew my socks off (and made me feel sick) from how strong it was, but I figured it was just the higher PG that I wasn't used to, or the nic might be too high for me (at 12 mg, I had just started vaping and didn't know my niche yet). Generally I just mixed some no nic VG with it to tame the strong TH. I'm not going to list a vendor since it's an unproven theory, but I do have some of it left still so I may test it again and see what the differences I notice are between the juices I make and those, since the difference in mg should only be 2 mg. I'm also more used to vaping now so it may not affect me as much.
Although chances are that I will not be sending Kurt any of my nic, I think it nicer to at least partially reimburse him for the revealing work he has already documented.
All I need is a PayPal addy...
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that we can't go around throwing that word around, "criminal". It's not for us to decide. It's not criminal to sell a chainsaw to a texan murder. We need to be responsible for ourselves, as the OP did, and use our noses before using something. If you call the guy at the top a criminal, then it falls all the way down the chain right to us as well.
I guess that part of the reason that I recognized it so easily is that my mom used to vape. Well I filled all of her cartos for her and would have to test them out before delivering them to her.
She vaped 48 mg juice so I would only take a draw or two to test but I would get a headache immediately. That probably made it much easier for me to pick up on when I vaped juice that had higher nic than was labeled. OTOH I have also reduced my nic over time and am very familiar with the symptoms of lower nic too.
As I understand it, it's criminal if there is intent, if they know there is a problem and ignore it. It's liable since they are a chemical company purported to be knowledgeable about nicotine. Even vendors who's business is harmed by this can have a liable claim against BE. If there are injuries they better have good liability insurance.
This is what I responded to from your post. Nothing to do with criminal
It starts at the top, and continues all the way down to us. We're doing the same thing, and even selling it for money. I've seen many threads of people selling their stock they don't like. But, distribution is distribution.
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To me thats like saying if you are killed during surgery by an incompetent surgeon you are as much at fault as he is. After all you should have had the knowledge and expertise to know if he was competent or not.
Most consumers do not have the means or knowledge to test what they purchase and they should not have to.
It's all I've ever used too. It just wasn't worth it to me to save a few cents and take a chance when I knew Levy had quality, tested product.
Now I understand what you messaged me earlier, couldn't figure out what chainsaws had to do with vaping lol.
Criminal means intent doesn't it? They had to have an intention to sell it at that strength without testing to verify, rather than just not being thorough. Now if there was a law about it and they still didn't test, that's criminal negligence (? I think).
Something like this could still be charged as negligence without the criminal aspect correct? (I don't know the laws about this kind of stuff, so please bear with me.)
ETA: I type too slow, GoodDog beat me to it lol
We are talking about DIY folks here, right? Just like when you DIY fix your washing machine, you took responsibility for what happens. It might be just fine, but it might short out and kill your kid. You might not like it, but you pretty much own the responsibility.
So glad I didn't buy BE. This is really scary stuff. As is the larger question, how many juice vendors use them?
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