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Discussion in 'Legal Issues with Ecigarette Use' started by Sainted_S, Jul 14, 2011.

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  1. Sainted_S

    Sainted_S Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2010
    Nether Iceland of NWPA
  2. hairball

    hairball ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 17, 2010
    Other Places
    All I can view is


    You don't have permission to access /admin/comments on this server.
  3. Sainted_S

    Sainted_S Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2010
    Nether Iceland of NWPA
    Sorry, fixed the link

    Found this page when I was doing a search for Propylene glycol, so I could explain it more thoroughly when asked.
  4. cigarbabe

    cigarbabe Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2010
    There are quite a few of these ads in FB and each one has the same type of ad solicinting "clients" who have been harmed by these "deadly alternatives to real cigarettes."
    I posted my feelings at couple of the law firms.
    I also sent that info from facebook to "vocalek" so she could see they types of crap law firms are advocating for.
  5. emus

    emus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 9, 2009
    Pretty sad.

    Bet they don't know an overdose of water is 100% fatal and water is used for combustion engine coolant.
  6. Vap0rJay

    Vap0rJay Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 22, 2011
    Chocolate is also poisonous. Any lawsuits vs Hershey or Cadbury?

    From Wikipedia:

    Theobromine poisoning or chocolate poisoning is an adverse reaction to the alkaloid theobromine, found in chocolate, tea, cola beverages,[citation needed] açaí berries,[citation needed] and some other foods. Cacao beans contain about 1.2% theobromine by weight, while processed chocolate, in general, has smaller amounts. The amount found in highly refined chocolate candies (typically 1.4 - 2.1 g/kg or 40 - 60 milligrams per ounce) is much lower than that of dark chocolate or unsweetened baker's chocolate ( > 14 g/kg or 400 mg/oz).

    In general, the amount of theobromine found in chocolate is small enough such that chocolate can be safely consumed by humans. However occasional serious side effects may result from the consumption of large quantities, especially in the elderly.[1] In extreme cases, emergency room treatment may be required.[2]

    Serious poisoning happens more frequently in domestic animals, which metabolize theobromine much more slowly than humans, and can easily consume enough chocolate to cause chocolate poisoning. The most common victims of theobromine poisoning are dogs,[3][4][5] for which it can be fatal. The toxic dose for cats is even lower than for dogs. However, cats are less prone to eating chocolate since they are unable to taste sweetness.[6] Theobromine is much less toxic to rats and mice, due to their relative genetic similarity to primates; they and humans all have an LD50 about 1000 mg/kg.

    Toxic (LD50) doses of theobromine have only been published for humans, cats, dogs, rats, and mice; these differ by a factor 6 across species (see the table in this article). The toxicity for (pet) birds is not known, but it is typically assumed that chocolate is dangerous for birds, especially since birds like to eat chocolate.[7]

    The first signs of theobromine poisoning are nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and increased urination. These can progress to cardiac arrhythmias, epileptic seizures, internal bleeding, heart attacks, and eventually death.
  7. malyden

    malyden Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 31, 2008
    FYI - this article is from 2009
  8. Eddie.Willers

    Eddie.Willers ECF Wiki SysOp Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 3, 2011
    Prairie Canada
    Well, I posted a comment pointing out their specious claims as to the 'dangers' of PG - but I doubt it will make it past their Moderators.
  9. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

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    Apr 7, 2009
    Springfield, VA
    Thanks for the heads up. I'll go check. I don't get to Facebook every day.
  10. BigFish

    BigFish Full Member

    Apr 13, 2011
    The main thing that they're missing is that:

    "The FDA includes Propylene glycol on its list of substances Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS)..."

    -- and--

    "PG has been used as the aqueous-based chemical additive in asthma inhalers and nebulizers since the 1950s, with no serious side effects known." --source: Danger of Inhaling Propylene Glycol |

    We are creatures of habit, so any kind of drastic change is going to be met with resistance.
  11. BardicDruid

    BardicDruid Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 25, 2009
    Central Texas
    They're a bunch of ambulance chasing lawyers, trouble is they'll get more press than any study that shows e-cigs are safe.
  12. Uncle Willie

    Uncle Willie Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I have yet to see info regarding vaporizing PG or VG and inhaling it regularly ..
  13. Uncle Willie

    Uncle Willie Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    This is nothing more than a solicitaion for possible lawsuit clients .. and if you read the comments that have been left, apparently, there are some ready to add their names to a class action ..
  14. rbuck9

    rbuck9 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 12, 2011
    how about a class action lawsuit for anyone or any company hurt by ambulance chasers
  15. soundasleep

    soundasleep Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 31, 2011
    Mulgrave - VIC - AU
    I'd prefer to see it the other way around. That is a bunch of vapers getting together for a class action against states or individual instiutions/businesses that force vapers to use the smoking areas...
  16. cookiebun

    cookiebun Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 6, 2011
    Central Ohio
  17. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Apr 7, 2009
    Springfield, VA
    Yup. I got an interesting error message:

    Access Forbidden

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