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How to identify counterfeit Sony batteries

Discussion in 'Batteries and Chargers' started by Baditude, Jul 9, 2014.

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  1. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    Sun Vapors has posted a blog on how to spot counterfeit Sony batteries. We all knew that this was coming. First AW. Now Sony.

    How to Spot Fake Sony Batteries
     
  2. Jdbaker82

    Jdbaker82 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 16, 2014
    United States
    I would say more importantly... find out who sells the fake ones and spread the word then everyone should be good... or just order from a known good that doesn't sell fakes

    Sent from my SCH-I545 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
     
  3. Miata GT

    Miata GT Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Nov 28, 2013
    Largo, FL
    Thanks for the info!
     
  4. snork

    snork Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 30, 2011
    CO
    What's the big deal? Counterfeit everything else seems to be acceptable to vapers.
     
  5. Jdbaker82

    Jdbaker82 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 16, 2014
    United States
    Dumb question hopefully you can figure it out without someone telling you... two entirely different things.

    Sent from my SCH-I545 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
     
  6. SingedVapor

    SingedVapor Flavor-Chaser Verified Member ECF Veteran

    If a crappy made mod breaks... Oh well stripped threads, ect...

    If a crappy made battery melts down because someone thought it was a real sony with a 30 amp limit but in reality is only 10...

    I don't think I have to finish this sentence
     
  7. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    There's a HUGE difference between counterfeit replacement coil heads, counterfeit mechanical mods, counterfeit RBA's, etc and counterfeit batteries.

    "Battery counterfeiting -- This is a growing problem and all APV users need to be aware of it.

    This is what happens: the counterfeiters buy reject Li-ion batteries in bulk, strip the covers off, and re-cover them with labels that change them to look like popular brands. In this way they can take a cell bought for 10 cents, re-work it, and sell it as for example an AW battery with a retail price of $10. The profits are very high and this practice is growing. It means that you never really know what battery you have unless you buy from somewhere with a verified supply chain. For example, all AW batteries offered for sale on Alibaba are counterfeits, and possibly dangerous."


    -- Rolygate, ECF Forum Administrator and battery expert Rechargeable Batteries

    Some disreputable businesses also harvest used batteries (often unprotected ICR batteries, which if you didn't already know, should NEVER be used in a mod) from old lap top computers and rewrap them to sell them as new batteries. Whether they are sold as generic no-name batteries or dressed up to look like an AW or Sony, you don't want to use a dangerous battery in your mod.

    As Rolygate stated above, ALL of the AW batteries sold by Alibaba are fake AW batteries. Many unsuspecting or ignorant retailers purchase these batteries and sell them on EBay or Amazon. Recommendations are to purchase from reputable e-cig vendors who are authorized to sell genuine name-brand batteries and chargers (ie RTD Vapor).

    Put an old used unprotected ICR li-ion battery (with a 3 amp limit) with a shiny new wrapper in mech mod to power a sub-ohm coil and you'll get this inside of your tube mod - a pipe bomb. These batteries vent flames and explode when pushed beyond their limits.

    IMR_battery_post-venting.jpg

     
  8. Ryedan

    Ryedan ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 31, 2012
    Ontario, Canada
    Thanks for this info Bad :thumb:. Yes, it was only a matter of time until this happened, but at least we know what to look for, for now.

    Known good suppliers ... the only way to go with vape batteries :)
     
  9. Newportlocal

    Newportlocal Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 14, 2013
    Orange County,Calif.
    I just bought some Sony batteries tonight for a new mech mod. I just checked them in my charger after your post. Thanks for the link. Glad mine were legitimate.
     
  10. anumber1

    anumber1 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 14, 2014
    NW Ohio
    Excellent information!

    Mine are all legit but this does mean they are out there.

    After buying half a dozen fake AW batts a couple of months ago on that popular auction site, I have learned tovstick with RTD and Illumination Supply. Legit companies with legit stocks of the batteries I want.
     
  11. Huriyet

    Huriyet Full Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Toronto, ON, Canada

    Thank you again Badtitude. I've taken much incite from your posts long before I was a member. The article with out a doubt is very useful. The problem some may have is that the pictures on sites that sell these items use stock 1 sided photos. To reinforce the point made by Nathaniel, knowing which online shots that can be trusted is Paramount. Tj being right as well, that where you buy being as important as what you buy. I trust VaporDna so I'll stick with them.

    Thank you all for your thoughts. The battery game is no game.
     
  12. Tjw01093

    Tjw01093 Full Member

    Dec 21, 2013
    West Valley ,Utah
    I should have browsed the threads a little more lol. awesome, ill take a look at this!

    Edit: After looking at the page, the only thing strange about my batteries, or at least one of them, is that the text is a little misaligned. Also these batteries i have are vtc4. WP_20140713_011.jpg
     
  13. Huriyet

    Huriyet Full Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Toronto, ON, Canada
    Edit: knowing which online shops that can be trusted is Paramount.
     
  14. Huriyet

    Huriyet Full Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Toronto, ON, Canada
    I really hope I don't have to take out a laser level with my batteries. :unsure: You know I'm going to watching the fonts next.
     
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  15. rnln

    rnln Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 12, 2013
    SCal
    I saw this "how to..." page several days ago and start comparing these pictures to several sites which people are posted on this site as good price. Guess what? I haven't found a real one yet. Does that mean most of the Sony VTC5 out there are fake?
     
  16. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    Your guess is as good as mine. As the veterans of ECF continue to preach to the novices, you are far better off to purchase your batteries from trusted, authorized vendors who can verify their source directly from the manufacturers.

    I buy all of my batteries from RTD Vapor. Orbtronics and Illumination Supply are two more such online vendors.


    AW goes through more effort to protect against counterfeiting with very distinctive label wrapping and an exclusive hologram AW sticker. This makes identifying fakes easier if you know what to look for should you not buy from authorized AW vendors.

    The green VTC Sony series of batteries have only been on the market for a year or so. Sony is possibly not aware of the counterfeiting issues that AW has already been through. The Sony batteries are very plain looking and can be easily faked with inferior batteries with such a simple wrapper with minimal distinctive markings. It would not surprise me that there are a large number of counterfeit Sony batteries on the market.
     
  17. anumber1

    anumber1 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 14, 2014
    NW Ohio
    I am glad all of my Sony US18650VtC5 batteries have been sourced through a known supplier of authentic batteries.

    I so agree with Baditude's post above. Saving a buck on batteries by going with an unknown seller on the bay or amazon is just not cost effective.

    I bought half a dozen AW batteries from a combination of 'bay and amazon sellers. They all turned out fake. Zero cost savings buying fakes for 75% of genuine RTD Vapor price.

    Add in that these fakes are of unknown quality, I don't even trust them in a high power LED flashlight.

    I bought trash. Almost One Hundred Dollars of Trash.

    RTD and Illumination Supply have competitive prices. They are right there on price with the auctions.

    No fakes for close to the cheapest price? Worth a buck a cell to me!
     
  18. Huriyet

    Huriyet Full Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Toronto, ON, Canada
    I feel as though everyone who has the need for a battery as powerful as the Vtc5 is really on the look out now. Were not just looking at these because we like the color. Thankfully these unfortunate situations like anumber1 had are an even greater reminder. Along with safety concerns, the value of paying more for the real thing is often - in this case especially, worth it.
    The real fear is that some smaller venders that may mean well have let a few fakes out the door. Of course they need to get serious about who there getting them from as well. Either way I'll buy from trusted and wont roll the dice with a battery.
     
  19. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    Its also important to buy the right model battery from a particular manufacturer. I was talking casually with another vaper in my local vape shop just yesterday. Relatively new vaper who proudly showed me his first mechanical mod. He was using a RDA on it. I asked him what ohms he was running with.

    "I don't know. I don't have an ohm reader yet."

    :facepalm: (facepalm moment) I asked one of the sales staff to borrow one of the shops ohm readers. Put his RBA on the meter and it reads 0.29 ohms. So next I ask him what battery he has in his mod.


    "It's supposed to be a good one. I heard Samsung are good batteries."

    I ask to see it. Its a Samsung all right, but its an ICR battery (the pink Samsung ICR18650-26F battery), not an IMR high drain, high amp battery. His ICR Samsung only has a 2C continuous discharge rate and he's trying to pull around 15 Amps from a battery which doesn't have that much.

    I told the guy he's been extremely lucky he didn't blow up his battery using that resistance. He said he's only been using his setup for a couple of hours. I told him he absolutely shouldn't use that battery at that resistance. He immediately purchased a Sony VTC4 30 amp battery.
     
  20. rnln

    rnln Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 12, 2013
    SCal
    He was lucky talking to you. Scary that it's easy to fall into situation like this for new vapors.
     
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