In a lot of ways, things were a lot worse once upon a time.It is insane to expect regulations to fix all the issues, they just minimize impacts.
In a lot of ways, things were a lot worse once upon a time.It is insane to expect regulations to fix all the issues, they just minimize impacts.
From an earlier post - google 'fda failed' and you'll get lots more.
"MINNEAPOLIS, Minnesota (CNN) -- The deadly outbreak of salmonella traced to a Georgia peanut plant was fueled by poor oversight by food safety regulators and a slow response by federal agencies, state health officials and outside experts say."
Should the FDA be responsible for the deaths? The FDA head indicted and sent to jail?
The point isn't that, but that the FDA didn't really 'provide the protection' that some think is absolute when done by gov't, and absent when it is done by business, who actually have the most to lose (other than the customers), if their products are tainted.
No one believes either of those to be absolutes. Also, businesses have much to gain by engaging in dangerous shortcuts/substitutes, if they can get away with it.
What this says to me is that the folks in the peanut plant knew the FDA wasn't going to be zealous, and so they got lazy/DGAS and didn't do THEIR job. "Ah, they're not gonna check, just do it any old way, who cares," kind of attitude. Which says to me that the problem isn't the FDA, it's the laziness of those who actually should have been doing something to prevent salmonella infection -- the FDA doesn't do those peoples' jobs for them, but when lazy people know that no one is going to check, they don't work hard enough.
They lost their company and the guy's in jail for 28 years. But no arrests at the FDA. I'm pretty certain that isn't what he intended. But that's not the point. The reason that gov't agencies are justified in the first place is the promise that they will stop this from happening. And like anything in gov't - it ends up 180 degrees opposite of the good liberals who passed the legislation assuring everyone that this is worth the billions of dollars spent and that we'd have safer food and drugs. JUST LIKE - they say we'll have safer ecigarettes and eliquid if we give into the deeming. And even you don't believe that!
And this 'lazy' thing re: business is the old Marxist propaganda bought into by people who don't even know, and have never read, Marx. Most managers/owners spend many more hours at their job than any employee who works for them. People who are lazy, are people who don't work and rely on those productive people to provide them with everything they have without working for it because they've somehow rationalized (with help from the "victim pushers" who are their elected officials) that they somehow "deserve" it - and nothing could be further from the truth.
Your quite right. With all these daily reports of exploding batteries and poisoned e-juice its becoming toThe recent recall of contaminated spinach? The massive airbag recall? Those are still in the news. The poison pet food? The poison Heparin?
Google recall.
if you are counting on industry to keep you safe think again. It is a bad deal all around.
Industry's unsafe practices is what caused govt regulations in the first place.
Your quite right. With all these daily reports of exploding batteries and poisoned e-juice its becoming to
much to take. Every day on my daily stroll I encounter at least 3 vapers doing the crappie flop
from the toxic shock caused by their e-juice. You would not believe how many times I am awakened
at night from the sound of exploding mods. All this has to stop.
Regards
Mike
Actually, by "lazy", I meant the time-clockers who really don't give a rip about whatever business they work for;
The guy who works on the dock with him, in shipping&receiving, arrives late and leaves early, every single day.
and if you said "Lenin" to him, he'd hear "Lennon," as in John...
I cringe when i drop my kid off at day care and have to grab a few door handles.
Ummm... why?
Andria
Sorry that was a joke but certified ingredient disclosure would be a start for E-juice. An independent certified stamp would be nice, not like the 100% organic stuff, just list of stuff that is in it.
Wrong on both accounts. ANTZ invest much (and get a return on) the FDA being the absolute authority and most liberals tie their utopian dreams/hallucinations to gov't regulation over businesses because they think, again wrongly, just like the last of your sentence. When in fact, businesses know that they are harmed by dangerous shortcuts and products or services that will drive away customers - the customers who are the basis of their profit.
They are not as stupid or evil minded as liberals think - which I've always considered a 'projection' on their own intent if they were in business - which thankfully for them, they are not. .....except hedge funds and most of wall street investment banking these days. And both industries have suffered from it. I'd add ambulance chasers/trial lawyers to that with a few exceptions.
Now, there are some businesses - cons mainly - who do operate the way you say, but to generalize that to 'businesses' is simply your brainwashing showing. If that were the case, no businesses would exist today and as much as you'd like to see that, it is not the case.
The odds of that happening?The sad fact is this: I'm not opposed to regulation. I think that some form of regulation probably is necessary to, if nothing else, give consumers confidence.
I'm sure that many here will profoundly disagree with me, but I see a sensible regulatory framework looking something like the way the cosmetic industry operates:
With the cosmetic industry there's a body called the Cosmetic Industry Review, and it's made up of various appropriate experts who analyse the ingredients and liaise with the FDA and the Consumer Federation of America. They are independent of, but funded by, the PCPC the main trade association of the Cosmetics Industry.
Seems to me to be a setup that would work very well.
I can see regulation as having benefits to the consumer.My problem is what kind of regulationThe sad fact is this: I'm not opposed to regulation. I think that some form of regulation probably is necessary to, if nothing else, give consumers confidence.