If they banned ecigs, would you stockpile?

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  1. New Year quitter

    New Year quitter Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    I have a fair amount in the bank and that's what I would do if this pathetic UK government banned them (they've banned everything else that makes life remotely enjoyable).
    What would you do.
     
  2. Sun Vaporer

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    Do not concern yourself with something that is a huge maybe. I do not know if you are in the US or elsewhere as you have not posted your location. In the US, the legal system is very slow and we would have plenty of time for a Plan B which is to move to China!!!
     
  3. cucurucho

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    Don't be so sure Sun Vaporer, they were banned in Australia overnight without a word of warning.

    To answer the question, yes, I'm in the process of stockpiling right now.
     
  4. dnakr

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    I have a pretty good stash right now but if word got out that it was going to be banned I would being buying as much as I could get my hands on :)
     
  5. Trumpybloke

    Trumpybloke Super Member ECF Veteran

    Cucu , I , and the rest of the Aussies are the best to comment on this ... HELL YEAH !!! LOL
    I think if anyone wants to keep this habit going , a sensible amount of stockpiling is necessary ... but more importantly , getting off your butts , getting the word out there , and formulating an action plan BEFORE they are banned would be prudent... they best way around a ban is proving how stupid the ban might be .... BEFORE they ban it !!!
     
  6. Sun Vaporer

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    Yes I know, in Australia, like many other places, you do not have the same type of court intervention or due process as in the US. There will be many hearings and jawboneing here before it even goes to the courts--so we will get plenty of time for a heads up. If anything gets out and out right banned it can only be the nicotine cartridges. But, as I said there will be plenty of time for a Plan B--which is to move to China!!
     
  7. Misty

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    Nice to hear your calming words , Sun!
    But... Mexico , Australia out of nowhere banned or imposed strong restrictions..now UK I think with a bit of problems with a supplier who can't or couldn't sell le-iquid until proof of no poison..So it seems to come fast & furious..rather than a slower movement towards banning (which I also would expect for US & Canada..)
    Either way, I started stockpiling both hardware & liquid within limits because of all the frenzy in other threads..maybe I should of just relaxed;)
     
  8. Kate

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    If enforcement agencies can make it fit under existing laws then there will be no delay, stocks will be off the shelves immediately. New legislation takes time but that wasn't necessary in Aus.
     
  9. Sun Vaporer

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    In the US we do have hearings last I knew? And how about people that do not use nicotine--where is the "Drug"?
     
  10. Trumpybloke

    Trumpybloke Super Member ECF Veteran

    Kate summed it up perfectly, an outright retrospective ban is nearly legally impossible anywhere ( its in part, why tobacco can still be sold ) but if there is the slightest little bit of previous legislation ( or in the case of Australia , a Poisons Act ) that it can be attached to , say goodbye little 'lecky ciggies !!! or even if its just the nicotine... it still affects the use of them
     
  11. Misty

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    No..not scared..just being prudent after these sudden bans...and cause kinda love these e-cigs and some good strength nic..:thumb:
     
  12. Kaston

    Kaston Super Member ECF Veteran

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    Simply put, I would become an outlaw.
     
  13. Keltrey

    Keltrey Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    Actually, the FDA could have the sales stopped overnight due to not having the necessary paperwork filed on them. In our instance for E-Liquid it falls under a New Drug Category.

    This requires a New Drug Application (NDA) filed for it. The fact is and you can check the OASIS Disapproval lists of manufactures already being charged with not having this paperwork filed.

    Because of this they could stop the import of goods from these companies or any others selling this product. It is a matter of if they choose to proceed with enforcement.

    http://www.fda.gov/ora/oasis/11/ora_oasis_i_66.html
     
  14. Trumpybloke

    Trumpybloke Super Member ECF Veteran

    Why wait Kaston ... I have a spare room you could move into with me downunder , you can live out your outlaw fantasies now LMAO !!! ;)
     
  15. Sun Vaporer

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    I will leave it by saying if you feel the need to stock up then by all means do it--Enjoy Vaping:rolleyes:
     
  16. Misty

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    That's an impressive link,Keltrey!
    No clue how you got this! Do you work for the US govn't?
    Maybe you can get the list for Canada rejections..:)
     
  17. Keltrey

    Keltrey Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    I used to. U.S Army. That is not how I found it though. The FDA Website is useful and so is Google.
     
  18. Keltrey

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    I suggest you ready Chapter 5; Section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act.

    SEC. 505. [21 USC 355] New Drugs. [Caution: See prospective amendment note below.] (a) Necessity of effective approval of application. No person shall introduce or deliver for introduction into interstate commerce any new drug, unless an approval of an application filed pursuant to subsection (b) or (j) is effective with respect to such drug.

    FD&C Act Chapter V, Sections 501-510
     
  19. Kaston

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    Hmmm.."spare room"..."downunder"..."fantasies"

    Trumpybloke are you hitting on me ;)
     
  20. Kate

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    I think Keltrey is right, that's the catch, classification is everything, we will be seen as drug importers and users. Drugs are only allowed if medically proven and approved, they are highly regulated.

    Trading Standards recently stopped sale of liquid nicotine in the UK for Wicked. They tried to apply a law that exists to regulate poisons but fortunately that didn't cover the strengths our eliquid is supplied in. My understanding is that it was only after lab testing proof was provided that the Trading Standards allowed Wicked back on sale.
     
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