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iJoy 40A 3000mAh 20700 Bench Test Results...overrated but a good 30A battery

Discussion in 'Batteries and Chargers' started by Mooch, Apr 15, 2017.

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  1. Mooch

    Mooch Electron Wrangler Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 13, 2015
    To prevent any confusion with the eGo-type "batteries", I use the term "cell" here to refer to a single 18350, 18650, 20700/21700, 26650, etc.

    While the test results are hard data, the conclusions and recommendations I make based on these tests are only my personal opinion based on my criteria for setting a rating. Carefully research any cell you are considering using before purchasing.

    Testing cells at their limits is dangerous and should never, ever, be attempted by anyone who has not thoroughly studied the dangers involved and how to minimize them.

    If the cell has only one current rating number on it, or if it says "max" then I have to assume that the company is stating that the cell can be discharged at that current level in any way, including continuously.

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    Bottom Line
    This is an overrated 20700 cell (20mm diameter x 70mm length) that performs well but not quite as well as the Sanyo NCR20700A. Its appearance is similar to the Panasonic/Tesla cell, with its 5-leg top contact, but I cannot confirm that this is indeed the Panasonic cell. There are differences in the top crimp seal and tooling marks.

    This iJoy uses a multilayer paper top ring insulator that should not be exposed to juice or otherwise it could swell and soften, possibly increasing the risk of the insulator being damaged when put into or removed from a device or charger.

    I am rating this iJoy at 30A and 3000mAh. Its maximum vaping amps (MVA) rating is 40A, limited by temperature.

    My thanks to Evolution Vaping for donating the two cells for testing!
    (Ijoy 20700 40AMP Battery - Evolution Vaping)


    Continuous-Current Test Results
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    The Tesla 20700 Cell For Comparison
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    Pulse-Current Test Results
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    Comparison to the 30A 3000mAh Sanyo NCR20700A
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    Comments
    • At 10A continuous this cell delivered almost 2850mAh. This typical for a high-performance 3000mAh cell so I am rating it at 3000mAh.
    • Its temperature of 78°C at 30A continuous is the average for cells being operated at their rating so I am rating this cell at 30A.

    To see how other cells have tested and how hard you can safely push them, check out these links: List of Battery Tests | E-Cigarette Forum
     
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  2. Canadian_Vaper

    Canadian_Vaper Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 30, 2015
    ON. Canada
    *Drools* Thanks for the tests :)

    Wonder what their mod will be like :X
     
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  3. johnnyelevator

    johnnyelevator Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 7, 2011
    long beach, ca
    Here you go. It's called the Ijoy Captain. Rated up to 237 watts running on 2x 20700. No release date or pricing information yet. [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
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  4. Canadian_Vaper

    Canadian_Vaper Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 30, 2015
    ON. Canada
    Oh nice new pictures!
     
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  5. ApolloKen

    ApolloKen Full Member

    Apr 1, 2017
    Mobile, AL
    Wish these were true 40 amp. We need some true 40a cells in vaping but I am eager to see where these head
     
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  6. Canadian_Vaper

    Canadian_Vaper Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 30, 2015
    ON. Canada
    How we use them, 40A should be fine, 30A is the constant discharge rate, like if you were to drain the battery all in one shot, we pulse the batteries so they have time to cool down, that's why mooch sets max vaping amps (MVA) higher than CDR. Personally I'd probably stay closer to a maximum of 35 so the cell lasts a bit longer.
     
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  7. BackDoc

    BackDoc Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 24, 2010
    Galts Gulch
    It's a conspiracy to get us all to buy new mods:)
     
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  8. ApolloKen

    ApolloKen Full Member

    Apr 1, 2017
    Mobile, AL
    Yep it'd probably raise the pulse limit too tho and chain vaping wouldn't be as big of a problem with lower builds. Curious to see what comes out in the future.
     
  9. sofarsogood

    sofarsogood Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2014
    I suppose new mods that can take this battery could also have an adapter so 18650's would still work. In the mean time a 30 amp rating is irrelevent to me. I'm not going above about 25 watts. This size might be relevent to me if it had significantly more than 3,000 mah and may be got that via a lower 15 amp rating.
     
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  10. ApolloKen

    ApolloKen Full Member

    Apr 1, 2017
    Mobile, AL
    There's only a few mods I have where I wish I had a solid 35-40 amp cont. It'd be about perfect for my tube mechs and parallel boxes. I'm fine with the life I get from my hg2's on my regulated devices, it'd just be groovy to have a 2,500/3000mah 40amp; )
     
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  11. Mooch

    Mooch Electron Wrangler Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    May 13, 2015
    I gave the Samsung 30T a 40A rating.
     
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  12. Canadian_Vaper

    Canadian_Vaper Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 30, 2015
    ON. Canada
    There is 4200mah ones with 15A rating :D Dual 20700 8400mah mod would be amazing at low wattages, would last forever.

    $17.11 Authentic Sanyo NCR20700B 3.7V 4250mAh Rechargeable Li-Ion Battery (2-Pack) 2-pack - tested capacity: 4050mAh at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping


    Yeap and if mods are made to fit 21700's they'll be able to fit 20700s as well possibly without an adapter depending on design.
     
  13. sofarsogood

    sofarsogood Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2014
    4000 mah would be a nice bump up. At my power settings an LG HG2 gets me through a full day on work days. For days off I need some recharging or I carry a 26650 mod. I avoid carrying spare batteries in clothing I'm wearing even in a case. A physisist named Goodenough published a paper recently saying he and his team have developed a replacement for the batteries we use that can't go into thermal runaway, will charge faster and have more energy density and he believes there could be products to buy in 3 years. People are paying attention because he is the co inventor of the original Li battery in use today. So may be the 18650 will be getting a serious performance boost in a few years.
     
  14. ApolloKen

    ApolloKen Full Member

    Apr 1, 2017
    Mobile, AL
    I saw that right after I posted, that is so awesome! You must be a busy guy Mooch, you are virtually single handedly keeping the vape community up to speed with every cell imaginable and the safety of each. Thank you sir.
     
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  15. Canadian_Vaper

    Canadian_Vaper Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 30, 2015
    ON. Canada
    Considering I went through about 12000 mah, 50 watt, 0.32 Ohms today, these could have a significant impact for me especially the 15A ones, currently I carry with me, a dual 18650 device, second set of batteries for it and a second single 18650 device that I use a higher ohm build on in case I run out of power on my preferred setup... These could get me down to one device and a second set of batteries leaving me 4000mah to spare in case I forget to charge at night!

    3 of my married sets are getting close to the cycle life I've given them (200 cycles) and it leaves me with only 2 more sets that already have 100 cycles on them so I'm getting a bit of battery anxiety lol, 3 sets could completely cover my needs over my current 5 sets :X
     
  16. rebelscl

    rebelscl Full Member

    Mar 20, 2017
    Ashland Virginia USA
     
  17. rebelscl

    rebelscl Full Member

    Mar 20, 2017
    Ashland Virginia USA
    Be very careful with FastTech when ordering batteries. I was also drawn to their "Worldwide Free Shipping" claim. I wanted 4 Sanyo NCR20700A batteries. When I added them to my cart, the site added an approximately $34 shipping charge. Inasmuch as that particular battery was totally unavailable elsewhere and I have a mod being made (Sorry - can't say where) I bit the bullet and placed the order. I then opened a ticket with FastTech to complain about their misrepresentation of the Free Shipping. A couple days passed and their response was that the $34 fee was incorrect, if I wanted the batteries, I'd need to send an additional amount to them! So..bottom line, 4 Sanyo NCR20700A batteries are costing about $86 shipped to me in Virginia. To add insult to injury, they were shipped out on 12APR17 (supposed to be expedited airmail 5-7 day estimate) and its now 29APR17 and I don't yet even have a valid tracking number! I know that I'm going to be kicking my own ... when my availability notifications start rolling in from domestic suppliers, but I really didn't want to have the mod in hand and no way to power it. (The mod is really expensive) Be advised: FastTech's normally abismal shipping policies are horribly amplified when you order batteries to be delivered to the US! (I don't need to be told that all of this was a terrible mistake on my part, I'm reminded of that daily when I try to confirm tracking on this shipment) Also note: Mooch shows the Sanyo NCR20700A is superior to the IJOY.
     
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  18. lancasterv3

    lancasterv3 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 7, 2015
    thank you so much for putting in all the hours testing these new batteries.

    Sent from my HTC6500LVW using Tapatalk
     
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  19. lancasterv3

    lancasterv3 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 7, 2015
    Its great to see a community such as this ensure the saftey of the consumers.

    Sent from my HTC6500LVW using Tapatalk
     
  20. Evanleese

    Evanleese New Member

    Jun 1, 2017
    I would like to preface this by saying I absolutely do not encourage anyone to vape like I do---now ... I own both versions of the xxx mod and have been using these batteries(ijoy20700) and they tear up( become permanently weak ) very fast compared to the 18650s I use. I run .05-.08 and take around 6-10 pulls before charging as to not allow the battery to get hot..they lasted about a week and a half compared to about two months for the 18650( aspire 1800, lg hb6) . Also the thermal coupling tends to become damaged instantly on a few Ive gotten .. then they don't fire at all without going straight to red hot... just putting some real life info to the discussion.. have tried one Sanyo 20700a and it hits harder and hasn't stopped for the month Ive had it ... this might be useful to those who vape mechs this way ( more vape this way than most realize).. looking forward to the big three making a more quality product
     
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