Indiana Call to Action - Stop the Monopoly

[Robino1]

Evan McMahon posted a video update and I don't know how to share videos or know if that's even allowed. He stated the meeting today went really well and repeated mostly what's in the quote just above this post. He also stated the judge seems to be a good judge in that she wants as much information as possible but because this will all take more time her decision will most likely not be given until right about the June 30th deadline (the deadline for vape shops to be compliant with regulations they can't meet).

So while this is really taking things down to the wire time wise it sounds like the judge is going to take her time and give this her full attention/time. That's the best we can ask of her.

To share a video, just grab the link and paste it into the post reply box.

 

[pennysmalls]

More from Hoosier Vapers..

Here's a copy of the brief we filed Friday on our motion for a Preliminary Injunction in Hoosier Vapers v Indiana: http://bit.ly/1UsFk16

You can also read the Appendix to see the back and forth email exchange between the Hoosier Vapers Chairman and ATC's legal council. The Appendix also includes a copy of the ATC deposition from the federal lawsuit (a very interesting read).

And here is the link, a must read....Dropbox - Appendix [File-marked 04-29-2016].pdf

 

[pennysmalls]

It's very interesting to note that the attorney representing the security firm in this monopoly scandal used to work for the ATC. Apparently she was the prosecutor for administrative violations for the Alchohol and tobacco Commission. So she has intimate knowledge of ATC procedures. Nope doesn't look crooked at all.

 

[pennysmalls]

Another update from Hoosier Vapers.

On Friday May 20th, Hoosier Vapers submitted our final reply on our motion for a Preliminary Injunction. So, it's in the judge's hands now. We expect a ruling on it by June 30th. The lawsuit, either way, will be moving forward.

We are currently looking at how and when the recent FDA regs will preempt, or override, Indiana's law.

We've created a Dropbox folder with all the documents filed in this case. We will continue to add files to this folder as we move forward. The files... are numbered in order.

Here's a key to understand who filed what:

Filed by Hoosier Vapers: 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 12, 13.
Filed by the State: 2, 7, 8, 9.
Filed by Indiana Vapor Company and Crown Liquors: 10 and 11.

Dropbox - Hoosier Vapers Lawsuit

 

[pennysmalls]

It looks like drop box ten and eleven are the filings made by the two companies who are in on the monopoly for the eliquid side of the business. Two of my personal sworn enemies.

 

[zoiDman]

Another update from Hoosier Vapers.



Dropbox - Hoosier Vapers Lawsuit

It makes me Sick to read thru some of this.

But I Appreciate you keeping us Informed as to How Things are going.

 

[nicnik]

It makes me Sick to read thru some of this.

But I Appreciate you keeping us Informed as to How Things are going.

It's about the creepiest, croniest vaping legislation in the country, to date.

 

[pennysmalls]

It's scary knowing our fate here in Indiana rests in the hands of just one person right now. I'll be praying every damn day that this judge is a truly fair person.

 

[zoiDman]

It's about the creepiest, croniest vaping legislation in the country, to date.

Crony Legislation has always Annoyed me. And perhaps it is done So Much that people have become Desensitized to it?

But Do You What REALY Pisses Me Off?

And that is when there are about 400,000 People dying a Year (every Year) from Smoking, and you have Pin Headed ...... writing Legislation that Restricts e-Cigarettes to the point of Absurdity. And for What?

For Money?
For Personal Political Goals?
Cause they just Get Off on Control?

Just makes me Sick.

 

[choochoogranny]

Because, zoiDman, there is truly such a thing as EVIL in this world; and it doesn't have to have any rhyme or reason to exist.......or humanity.

 

[Robino1]

And that is when there are about 400,000 People dying a Year (every Year) from Smoking, and you have Pin Headed ...... writing Legislation that Restricts e-Cigarettes to the point of Absurdity. And for What?

Funny how that number has stagnated for years...... Even though the smoking rate decreases significantly and the never smoker rate increases yearly.

I have seen the number '480,000 deaths a year from smoking' since joining the forum.....

 

[Hoosier]

Two days ago, all six of the Indiana E-liquid Manufacturing permit holders filed an 11th hour motion asking to intervene in our preliminary injunction proceedings and in the federal lawsuit. They are specifically asking the judge to require Hoosier Vapers to pay a bond to cover any loses they may incur if we win the preliminary injunction (and they are no longer the only manufacturers). The permit holders are being represented by the same lawyers that filed the amicus briefs on behalf of Indiana Vapor Company and Crown Liquors.

 

[skoony]

I have seen the number '480,000 deaths a year from smoking' since joining the forum.....

I believe according to @Kent C this figure dates back to 1995-ish?
I can't recall the specific post.
Regards
Mike

 

[skoony]

Two days ago, all six of the Indiana E-liquid Manufacturing permit holders filed an 11th hour motion asking to intervene in our preliminary injunction proceedings and in the federal lawsuit. They are specifically asking the judge to require Hoosier Vapers to pay a bond to cover any loses they may incur if we win the preliminary injunction (and they are no longer the only manufacturers). The permit holders are being represented by the same lawyers that filed the amicus briefs on behalf of Indiana Vapor Company and Crown Liquors.

The total lack of shame boggles the mind.

Mike

 

[Hoosier]

As a board member of the Hoosier Vapers, Inc, I cannot comment on pending litigation. I can only present facts entered into the court record.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't like to, but legal team has strongly advised against doing so.

Thought folks here would like to know some new news though.

 

[Robino1]

We appreciate it

 

[Kent C]

I believe according to @Kent C this figure dates back to 1995-ish?
I can't recall the specific post.
Regards
Mike

CEH files shakedown lawsuits in CA against 24 large e-cig companies alleging high carcinogen levels

 

[pennysmalls]

Two days ago, all six of the Indiana E-liquid Manufacturing permit holders filed an 11th hour motion asking to intervene in our preliminary injunction proceedings and in the federal lawsuit. They are specifically asking the judge to require Hoosier Vapers to pay a bond to cover any loses they may incur if we win the preliminary injunction (and they are no longer the only manufacturers). The permit holders are being represented by the same lawyers that filed the amicus briefs on behalf of Indiana Vapor Company and Crown Liquors.

I need names Hoosier!

I hope you, the owners or employees of these six permit holders, are reading this. You six are going down in vape history as central members of the anti vape machine here in Indiana. I will do everything in my power to shout far and wide that you six are to be boycotted by vapers not only in Indiana but worldwide. I hope any vaper reading this does the same.

 

[nicnik]

I need names Hoosier!

I hope you, the owners or employees of these six permit holders, are reading this. You six are going down in vape history as central members of the anti vape machine here in Indiana. I will do everything in my power to shout far and wide that you six are to be boycotted by vapers not only in Indiana but worldwide. I hope any vaper reading this does the same.

The corrupt worldwide anti-vaping machine will eventually be exposed, and a lot of the focus will be on the most egregious violators of decency and good government, of which the business and government entities behind this human-life-destructive Indiana Legislation, will be an example cited over and over again.

 

[DC2]

Two days ago, all six of the Indiana E-liquid Manufacturing permit holders filed an 11th hour motion asking to intervene in our preliminary injunction proceedings and in the federal lawsuit. They are specifically asking the judge to require Hoosier Vapers to pay a bond to cover any loses they may incur if we win the preliminary injunction (and they are no longer the only manufacturers). The permit holders are being represented by the same lawyers that filed the amicus briefs on behalf of Indiana Vapor Company and Crown Liquors.

I'm not going to say that I am positive that I understand what you just said, but it sounds like the folks that have permits want to hold you fiscally responsible for any monetary losses they incur from your lawsuit being successful and aborting their attempted monopoly?