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Is it possible micro-coils are overrated?

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  1. photon9

    photon9 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 17, 2013
    Capital Region NY
    Last night I wrapped a 1/16" coil but instead of compressing and annealing it so the coils are touching I let the coils stay separated.

    And seriously this coil hits as good or better than any micro-coil I've built so far. I'm seriously leaning towards better. It has great vapor production, better flavor, and seems to be less fickle. Not to mention a simpler build.

    I know some of you are already on the uncompressed coil wagon but seriously if you haven't tried it give it a shot on your next build.
     
  2. thinkingaboutit

    thinkingaboutit Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 13, 2012
    mn
    Still micro based on diameter, no? And I have taken to not compressing since I burn cotton too easily.
     
  3. Brant Stephenson

    Brant Stephenson Full Member

    Feb 23, 2014
    United States
    What are you using for wick?

    Sent from my Motorola RAZR MAXX using Tapatalk
     
  4. photon9

    photon9 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 17, 2013
    Capital Region NY
    Silica. Cotton didn't work out for me.
     
  5. photon9

    photon9 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 17, 2013
    Capital Region NY
    The definition for all coils currently are pretty loose but my understanding is that micro- coils in general are thought to be coils touching.
     
  6. SLIPPY_EEL

    SLIPPY_EEL Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 11, 2013
    Ω England Ω
    1/16 is micro... bigger is macro

    I think it's good to have a change.. I went off micro's to open 5/64th's and back again and for some reason its kicking ... better then before lol
     
  7. DoogieTony

    DoogieTony Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 12, 2013
    Indianapolis, IN
    No, micro denotes the coils diameter, not if the coils touch. Supe has a chart with coil size to type of coil.
     
  8. BlueSnake

    BlueSnake Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 8, 2012
    Columbia, SC
    I've been making my coils the same and with silica wicks. I find that the silica seems to be holding more juice. So less squonking and no burnt wicks.
     
  9. supertrunker

    supertrunker Living sarcasm Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Oct 12, 2012
    Texas
    i have a foot in both camps - HRH likes her micros - but with silica, and i hate making them for her!

    I make rough old coils at about 0.6Ω for myself from silica and 26g kanthal or R41. I'd not say micros were overrated, because they are a very easy method to learn and get consistent results. Until you can make consistent coils time and again, then you are on a hiding to nothing, because your vape will be ever changing and hard to pin down.

    T
     
  10. zmauls

    zmauls Madman Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Oct 24, 2013
    New Jersey
    This thread has opened my eyes.

    I've literally never used anything but compressed coils. Updates to come.
     
  11. photon9

    photon9 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 17, 2013
    Capital Region NY
    This is what I'm finding too
     
  12. planes

    planes Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 11, 2013
    MA
    It probably depends. I had a great dual coil on an RDA with 32g wrapped I think 8 times which made about a 1.8 if I remember and the hits on my VAMO 5 with stacked 18350's was stellar. Right now, I'm vaping dual 28g at .70 ohms and I think I like the higher ohm as it's cooler and I think I get a better flavor. I was vaping some ahlusion juice tonight and the flavor seemed a little lost... almost like it's burning too hot. I'm still searching for my ultimate build. Only been at it about 2 months.
     
  13. zmauls

    zmauls Madman Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Oct 24, 2013
    New Jersey
    You need to drill your air holes if you're going to go that low.
     
  14. vsummer1

    vsummer1 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 3, 2012
    California
    I have tried different coils, different wicks, different atties...

    the bottom line on all of it is each of us likes different set ups, and you just keep making them until you hit your sweet spot. There is no right or wrong, just what gives you the best vape for YOU :)
     
  15. SavePaperVapor

    SavePaperVapor Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 5, 2009
    Minnesota, USA
    I only do micro coils when in dual coil mode. Way easier to make duplicate coils that way. Otherwise, I can make a regular old fatty coil that will dance with any micro.
     
  16. Filthy-Beast

    Filthy-Beast Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jan 14, 2011
    Chicago
    My last several coils have been with out the wraps touching, 1.5mm ID with ceramic wicks, I also dropped to 29 gauge kanthal from 28. I think they do provide a little better flavor. In a week or two I'll try some 29 gauge compressed micros to see what I think.
     
  17. MamaTried

    MamaTried Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 31, 2013
    Northern California
    we all tend to focus on the ohms of our coils, which, of course is important. ohm's law is an easy study.

    comparing, say, a loosely wrapped one ohm coil to a tightly wrapped one ohm, leads us into thermodynamics and other cool chit, most of which few of us have only a prayer of understanding, or articulating.

    that's my long-winded way of saying it all comes down to personal preference, after you dial in your preferred ohms.
     
  18. super_X_drifter

    super_X_drifter SQUONK 'EM IF YOU GOT 'EM Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 4, 2012
    Somewhere out there
    These are the first published photos of the first micro coil.
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    As we got better at wrapping the wraps got closer and eventually the concept evolved to where we got most of em to touch each other.

    My take on it is that the micro inner diameter with wraps touching each other or as close as possible has always provided the best vape and cleanest coil after a good period of use vs the old school large bore 4 spaced out builds like this:
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    I also find them less finicky to build and consistently duplicate. Gone are the days of hot spots and uneven heating.

    A micro also allows more adjustability / fine tuning the vape because the smaller mass can be positioned close to the air source (less TH) or close to the posts for more TH, higher than the air source (more TH) or low where the air flow is over the top of the coil mass for less TH. Or anywhere in between.

    But...

    Somehow it got completely misconstrued by the YouTube video celebs. They pushed touching wraps and never grasped (or evangelized) the part about inner diameter.

    Most people who heard about it outside of the two original micro coil threads on here (especially on YouTube and Reddit) believe a micro coil is a coil with any size ID you care to wrap as long as the wraps are touching.

    Pity the fools :)
     
  19. karmakatie

    karmakatie Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 8, 2011
    MO
    I personally prefer the microcoils, for me I love the knowing what I am going to get at the end of the build and can reproduce results over and over, I could never do that with the big wraps. The micros fit so much better in the smaller decked RDA's like the Igo and the Era's. I also think the produce a superior vape over all.

    I agree with SuperX on the concept being lost for alot, I personally have watched vids of folks building these big fat coils and trying to call them micro but the are using 2.5-3mm silica in them, but because the coils touch they are somehow a micro.....
     
  20. Jimi D.

    Jimi D. ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Oct 26, 2010
    Florida Keys
    What works for me is wider ribbon on silica. I find the flatter heating surface creates an explosion of vapor.
     
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