is the Nichrome coil in electronic cigs dangerous?

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  1. showbizo

    showbizo Full Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    chicago il.
    So I've been doing allot of research on E-cigs since I started and I'm fairly new, a few months. I chain vape all day and say to myself i wonder if the obvious questions have been asked on what exactly we using? a mere few months of research... What if any harm can these delicious devices do to the body in any way? I've searched and searched yet have not seen much suggestions on any known harm, aside from the obvious over exposure to Nicotine or faulty batteries but I've yet to hear(read) any conversations on the materials besides wicks, filler etc with the agree-ence that this is seemingly fine. Well I recently brainstormed over the right questions to asked. It dawned on me... obviously what sorta wire are they using and what is its composition and effects to the body. so one stuck out Nichrome! Nickel is toxic right? and Nichrome wire has nickel in it! and I've read here that Nickel is basicaly toxic to the human body...( http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp15-c1.pdf ) here is the break down of Nichrome wire also ( Nichrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) don't get me wrong, I'm no scientist but it seems disturbing to me. Does anyone have any information on this. I'm a little nervous on this now and I love to vape sooo much. :unsure: also nickel has no taste so how would you know you weren't breathing it in?

    Also id like to add I found silver to be the absolute safest to use. and would make a excellent substitute. any thoughts on this whole thing if so I'm building my own atomizers and wiring them with silver coils instead?

    some info on silver ( Silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

    Any comments will be deeply appreciated thank you.
     
  2. ambition

    ambition Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 5, 2012
    Australia
    Dangerous compared to what?
    Smoking?

    Don't mind me, just poking fun.
     
  3. ambition

    ambition Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 5, 2012
    Australia
    The real question you need to ask yourself after fretting about nickel consumption is...
    "is the heated nichrome wire being consumed by the process and giving off nickel vapor?"

    Given that it's an alloy and that it's physical properties are altered from standard nickel, and that the FDA has not seized upon it as a reason to ban ecigs, I'd say we're pretty safe.

    But of course, I'm just speculating and have no idea what I'm on about.
    Take it with a big bag of salt.
     
  4. Sicarius

    Sicarius Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 30, 2011
    NZ
    Nichrome wire is used in many applications including toasters, heaters, etc (correct me if I'm wrong here) so I am pretty sure someone would have raised alarm bells if it let of toxins (fan assisted heater).
     
  5. Warren D. Lockaby

    Warren D. Lockaby Super Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 19, 2011
    South Carolina, USA
    I can understand your concern and honestly I would probably share it, were it not for this (IMO) far greater threat to us all - vapers & non-vapers alike: NOBODY GETS OUTTA HERE ALIVE!!!!

    That's right, my friend... I hate to be the bearer of such terrible, unalterable news, but the sad fact is, something's gonna kill us all and there's almost nothing we can do about it.

    I say "almost" because there is one small area of this inevitable occurrence over which we have perhaps some influence: we *might* be able to avoid dying from something that wasn't any fun to begin with. I can imagine few things more annoying than to find myself losing my life for something I didn't even enjoy... like being shot for stealing a starving chicken too scrawny to cook. (I have never actually stole a chicken, but if I ever do I would hope to choose more wisely, just in case).

    So, for the time being, between now & my bucket-kickin', daisy-pushin' days, I'm not gonna worry too much about stuff like that. Mostly now I'm just keeping my eyes open for pleasant ways to live & give back, to find joy and spread it around. I figure if I stay busy doing fun stuff like that, sooner or later one of those fun things will kill me, and I'll be Blessed to die pretty much as I am now, still smiling, still certain that God's Got This.

    Happy Vaping! :toast:
     
  6. showbizo

    showbizo Full Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    chicago il.
    @ambition the same thing crossed my mind i figured id play the devils advocate and see how you guys felt on the subject... just a question tho... why not use silver i mean it is known to have healing qualities might be a win win situation just a thought tho thanks for the responses guys :)
     
  7. showbizo

    showbizo Full Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    chicago il.
    @Warren D. Lockaby im def up to living life to the fullest :toast: still vaping but i like to be aware of whatever the possible outcome is... in the perfect world of coarse lol.. anyhoooo i feel its everyone's duty to learn as much information of what we are doing. i like the idea of vaping and like to see it live long. thanks for the feedback i appreciate it :vapor:
     
  8. showbizo

    showbizo Full Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    chicago il.
    mind you im just a rookie lol sorry if i seem a neg nancy
     
  9. Retriever

    Retriever Moved On

    Nov 2, 2011
    I had a big concern at first about batteries exploding (which has happened), but there has to be a cost/benefit analysis done. I am not sure about the nickel, but I don't think that one would get that much, if any, in their system. Of course, it is better that smoking. :)
     
  10. showbizo

    showbizo Full Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    chicago il.
    @ambition (@ the second comment) also just adding if you look inside the dual cartomizer it leaves behind a slight discoloration the same that fake jewelry does from having too much nickel? a indicator that is present especially on those dual cartomizers when the liquid doesn't seem to get to the top coil as much? im no scientist tho so i may be way off with my assumption.
     
  11. showbizo

    showbizo Full Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    chicago il.
    @Retriever
    way better than smoking tar lol
     
  12. showbizo

    showbizo Full Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    chicago il.
    its like falling for a girl and having those last min thaught on whether she is worthy lol. im soo falling in love with vaping sigh to be in love. lol
     
  13. Warren D. Lockaby

    Warren D. Lockaby Super Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 19, 2011
    South Carolina, USA
    Hmmm, I feel a Country song comin' on here.... "Lookin' for love in all the wrong metals...." :vapor:
     
  14. AZCraig

    AZCraig Registered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Dec 24, 2011
    Mesa, AZ
    The only sure way to answer this would be to take the vapor from a normal atomizer draw with a given ejuice into a spectrometer and measure the nickel content. I'd wager that it would be inconsequential for normal conditions. Now, if you were to dry burn and inhale THAT, I'd bet you'd get some elevated levels from the coil material. Fortunately, coils tend to pop (become an electrical "open") at the point that hey melt and thus stop working, so, IMO, that makes it a non issue.
     
  15. denali_41

    denali_41 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 7, 2011
    Over Der
    i don't believe the wire actually gets hot enough to create a chemical release of nickel,,
    now the solder used for the coil itself ??
    i'd be a little more suspect of that being a hazard ?? if i were to be
     
  16. steliosak

    steliosak Super Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 29, 2011
    Kapandriti , Hellas
    Silver would not make a good resistance coil unfortunately as it is a very good conductor of electricity.

    Don't worry to much about the Nickel/Chrome wire. The temperature of the of the coil in an e-cig is fairly low when compared to the melting point of the resistance wire (abt 1400 deg C) .
     
  17. martinc

    martinc Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 12, 2011
    Montreal,Quebec,Canada
    According to the Mayas and Opis,you only have 10 months left to vape,so unless it can kill you in less than a year (which would be pointless anyways) I wouldnt worry too much.

    :laugh:

    On the other hand,I do use silver in my rebuildable atty
     
  18. Coil

    Coil Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 9, 2011
    SO. CAL
    I always wondered that with HV vaping but that's pretty much it. For Nickel to heat up that much and do damage you'd prolly have to be inhaling nothing but fumes and your "Mizer" would prolly take a crap by then anyway.

    I will say this... after 8 months of smoking I could feel a huge difference in way too many parts of my body. After vaping for only about 8 months I feel a huge difference in way too many parts of my body too. Just way better!;)

    Good question man. Welcome to the forums. Nice hand piece BTW!
     
  19. bigtiime

    bigtiime Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 15, 2011
    Virginia
    I'm pretty sure I'm not going to worry about this. I smoked cigarettes for 42 years and never thought anything of it. Never questioned it. Just blindly did it even after a heart attack, by-pass and stroke. I know my body feels better vaping.
     
  20. SubSplat

    SubSplat Full Member

    Jan 25, 2012
    Oregon
    Not sure, of course, but I've always assumed that discoloration is singed juice. Seems far more likely.

    As for the duals, that's not the coil you're thinking of. The two coils are in the bottom and middle section of the filler. The thing you see poking out at the top is just wire connecting the coils in parallel.
     
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