kanthal vs stainless steel vs clapton wires

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  1. e-giannis

    e-giannis Full Member

    Nov 27, 2016
    hi guys, I've recentry bought an rta atomizer and seen that there are many type of wires. So what are the main differences among kanthal, ss and clapton or what are their pros and cons? For example, in many threads people say that ss has very good flavor and it need much less watts, others say clapton gives the best flavor, what's happening??
     
  2. Two_Bears

    Two_Bears Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 4, 2015
    Tucson, AZ
    Kanthal can not be used in TC except for very few mods.

    SS has better flavor can be used in either power or TC modes.

    Clapton wire has more surface area to Vaporize more eJuice.

    If you are trying to limit Juice consumption Clapton coils arent for you.

    Most RTAs can only use 2-2.5 mm ID coils so Claptons will not fit in most RTAs because tight decks, and smaller than average Post holes. I use a Compact Kayfun RTA and the leads have to be trapped under screw heads , and 26 gauge round wire barely fits.

    Choose an RTA you like then worry if Ckaptons will fit.

    Myself i am a flavor chaser and couldn't care less about CLOUDS BRO CLOUDS.
     
  3. e-giannis

    e-giannis Full Member

    Nov 27, 2016
    Thanks bro, also I think that if you want to make some CLOUDS you can just adjust the watts, am I wrong? I am a flavor chaser too so what wire do you suggest?? Many say that clapton has the best flavor because the surface of the wire is bigger and mch more juice is heating up.
     
  4. Two_Bears

    Two_Bears Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 4, 2015
    Tucson, AZ
    If you want flavor Stainless Steel plain round wire.

    Clapton are for clouds not flavor
     
  5. 93gc40

    93gc40 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 5, 2014
    California
    Imo... best flavor is found with nichrome. But SS is close and for me vapes better and work better in TC. So I have been changing over from nich and kanthal to SS...

    Claptons while making great clouds and tons of flavor. Require too many watts and don't provide the flavor qualities I like. When vaping a flavor say strawberries and cream... I like the vapor to taste like stawberries and cream.. not S & C flavored E juice.

    Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk
     
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  6. Jim_ MDP

    Jim_ MDP Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 24, 2015

    You can't really just go all Tim Taylor on a coil and add Moar Power. :D

    A build will have a fairly narrow range for peak performance and there are problems with consistently running any build too much below that.
    Such as... unvaporized juice spitting and violently popping ( :eek: ), excess condensation in the chamber which can lead to flooding (gurgling) or even seeping out the air intakes.
    So we really don't normally have a lot of headroom to crank it up. We want it running its' best... day in, day out. Whatever that build might be designed for.

    Want moar cloudz... in general that means a different build.
     
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  7. 93gc40

    93gc40 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 5, 2014
    California
    I think what everybody is saying us... vape the build at the wattage that gives you the vape you want. AT THAT TIME....... sometimes that's a big quad clapton at 200 watts sometimes a simple single coil at 25watts.

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  8. ErrrKT19

    ErrrKT19 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 23, 2014
    c.r., co
    some people say they taste differences based on wire
    kanthal- kind of springy, higher resistance, durable, (cannot be used for temperature control)
    nichrome 80- lower resistance, softer than stainless or kanthal, doesn't hold up as well to heat, (cannot be used for temperature control)
    stainless 316L - very low resistance, kind of springy, durable (can be used either for temperature control or power mode)
    ni200 - ultra low resistance,very very soft, gets brittle quickly from use, (can only be used for temperature control)
    i have no experience with titanium
    clapton wire is just a piece of round wire with another piece of round wire wrapped around it and can be made with any of the different types of wire
     
  9. ErrrKT19

    ErrrKT19 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 23, 2014
    c.r., co
    fwiw, my preference is kanthal and 316L stainless but your mileage may vary
     
  10. Two_Bears

    Two_Bears Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 4, 2015
    Tucson, AZ
    I agree. But i have almost 600 feet Kanthal. Don't ever see MD needing to buy more wire.
     
  11. ErrrKT19

    ErrrKT19 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 23, 2014
    c.r., co
    MD?
     
  12. Two_Bears

    Two_Bears Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 4, 2015
    Tucson, AZ
    That us thus tiny touch keyboard on iPhone.

    Should have been " i see NO need for me to buy wire anytime soon."
     
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  13. Adam harris

    Adam harris Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 30, 2015
    North Carolina
    Kanthal claptons and kanthal twisted for me beats everything out atm for pure wattage mode/mechanical mods
     
  14. Eskie

    Eskie Vaping Master Verified Member

    May 6, 2016
    NY
    I only build with 316L these days, and almost always use in temp control mode. I use simple coils and Claptons, and get excellent flavor with both. It's also the atty you use it in. Right now I have dual SS Claptons in a Crius+ and getting excellent flavor out of a strawberry milk juice. It's all about finding what works best for your taste and preference.
     
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  15. itatoke

    itatoke Full Member

    Dec 14, 2016
    I much prefer SS to kanthal since it has a better flavor and can be used in temp mode
     
  16. sofarsogood

    sofarsogood Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2014
    I like stainless because it works in TC or power mode. Normally I'm in TC mode because I can vape higher watts and redrip less often and if the mod won't stay in TC mode, which has only happened a few times, I can carry on in power mode.
     
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  17. Falco78

    Falco78 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 29, 2014
    United States
    This is exactly why I am moving strictly SS316L for future builds.

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  18. GBalkam

    GBalkam Super Member

    Apr 29, 2016
    Actually.. claptons work by heating the core which heats the wraps that trap the ejuice more slowly, so basically, you have the core heating the ejuice and wire wraps, and the wrapped wire then vaporizing the juice trapped in those wraps. SO HOT in the middle, very warm on the wraps. two temperature evaporation. Basically.

    Now clouds.. you can get decent clouds from just about any good build. 5 to 8 wraps, clouds are all about surface area. So the core wire in a clapton makes more clouds than the wrapped wire around the core. Follow so far? Cool.. NOW..
    for bells to the wells clouds you can't see through.. you want a simple straight wrap unclaptoned wire. A 3.0 or larger ID core, and something like 8 wraps of 24ga Nichrome. Nichrome has lower resistance than kanthal, so you get more wraps. Stainless steel has even lower resistance, but it takes a huge amount of power to heat. Remember.. lower resistance = more conductive = less heat. Kind of like swimming in water and swimming in jello. It takes more energy to get to the end of the pool full of jello. Toss in a couple blonds and I'd never get to the end of the pool. lol... anyway...
    That's the basics. clapton = slow ramp up, 2 stage juice burn. Regular coil = fast ramp up, 1 stage burn and lots of juice drawn from the wick.

    The reason it works has a lot to do with power, air flow, and the shape of the atty. Short atty for flavor, tall for clouds (basically) Example, Tsunami.. flavor MutationX clouds. You can get both cloud and flavor on either.. but if you want to enter a competition, you'll be grabbing the MutX.

    By the way.. yes, increasing the watts will produce more clouds on any coil, up to a limit. To hot and you burn the wick. This is also why you see people using a 4 to 6 second draw on claptons, but a 1.5 second draw on a cloud build.
     

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