Kids skipping class to smoke

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  1. Dana A

    Dana A Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I know what you are all going to say but you can save it. I have tried everything under the sun to stop my 17 yr old son from smoking. He has been punished so many times at home as well as at school for smoking that its not even funny. He has started vaping as I will allow NO smoking in my house and as it turns out no longer needs to skip class as he can stealth vape in the bathroom after lunch and maybe once in between classes and I have not had a phone call for weeks that he is MIA from school. He always said he had to skip 10 min of class to smoke and it seems I hope that those days are over unless he gets caught vaping. The sign outside the school says no tobacco products so technically he isn't breaking the rules. So far vaping gave my son the ability to stay at school all day and I think that's a good thing.
     
  2. DietSalem

    DietSalem Super Member ECF Veteran

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    I know what comments that you expect (And I expect them too) but I won't be giving them. I smoked in school, and to be honest, it's probably the reason I dropped out. I was a bad kid, getting in trouble all the time and during classes I was nic-fitting too hard to actually do well. I actually support your action if you as a parent think it's the right thing for YOUR child. Would I support my kid doing it? Probably not. But not every child is the same. The real important thing is that your kid is getting an education.
     
  3. StartLifeEndLife

    StartLifeEndLife Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I started my senior year in highschool, man I don't know how i did it (and it was only 6 years ago for me!) I remember chain smoking on the drive to school and then chain smoking right after school, and then going back for any after school activities.

    Recently i was talking to my cousin who is in high school and smokes and the only reason she might want a pv is so she can use it at school. A little disappointing as If some one had told me about them in HS i would have been all over that. Course im kinda nerdy.

    I think you are on the right track here mail man stalker. My reasons would be A. he's already a smoker B. his smoking was interfering with his education and C. hes your kid!

    Oh! just remembered how i got through the school days, my mom gave me nic patches! Almost the same concept at work here.
     
  4. nansc

    nansc Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    Whatever works for you. your the parent..Yeah I smoked in high school too.
     
  5. TennDave

    TennDave Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I work for a school system...I stealth vape.
    3 weeks ago, our school board "slipped" e-cigs in to their "no smoking" on school grounds policy.
    We didn't see it coming- heard it on the news. Now, I could get fired if I was seen vaping, even in my car in the parking lot (I do have tinted windows). Their point was, "e-cigs could lead kids to start smoking the real thing."
    A bunch of hog-wash, but warn your kid, if he's caught he is most likely to get punished and it will most likely cause a ruckas for his whole entire school district... He just needs to be smart about using an e-cig...it will only take one incident and administrators don't know that the e-cigs are helping him stop smoking, and frankly they are not likely to care as they only see these as devices that give him nicotine, and oh my my- and vaping nicotine must be just as harmful as smoking!!
     
  6. ctourtelot

    ctourtelot Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I had to pick my daughter up from school a couple weeks ago and I was waiting in the clinic for her to get her things when I noticed a huge corkboard filled with anti-smoking posters, etc.

    While I applaud the schools attempt to discourage smoking, I didn't see a single thing on that board to help kids who were already addicted. It's still the same old "quit or die" mentality.

    Like teaching abstinence has done so much good to curb teenage pregnancy. pfft.
     
  7. Huffelpuff

    Huffelpuff Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    There was actually a smoking lounge at my High School. Was allowed to step to the outdoor lounge on breaks and lunch. If that weren't available we probably would have smoked in the bathroom.

    IMHO when people are addicted to nicotine, punishing them rarely works. I would do whatever it took to see my kids be successful. Maybe not the most popular decision but agree with above posts to caution him to be careful and not let kids know about his vaping. He'll have a lot of issues w/ the school if it gets around which if I recall, happens in about 10 seconds in a high school.
     
  8. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

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    I smoked in school. I was tapped on the shoulder once by the Jr high school principal after everyone else had thrown theirs in the toilet. I just happened to have my back turned when he entered the boys room. I got 3 days suspension.

    My Mother was horrified. My Dad, who smoked, told me I was old enough to make my own decisions. He sneaked around in school and smoked, too. I can understand parents' shock at their kid smoking, but it's just a rite of passage for kids to try things. It's the really dangerous things that you want to know about and control (drugs).

    At 17, I would want my kid to vape and leave the killer weed alone. It's a shame that schools have to outlaw both when vaping is the better alternative. They have to be strict and it's probably better to punish nicotine use than be responsible for youth use of things that are better decided upon after a little more maturity, but kids will be kids.
     
  9. TennDave

    TennDave Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Yes, punishment comes quickly!
    I agree 100% with him not letting his friends know- the fewer that know the better.
    If some of his "smoking friends" start vaping, it will be even harder to keep under wraps.
    Usually high schools have a main principal and then assistant principals- one per grade level.
    These AP's are like hawks, on the look-out for problems- it's their job to discipline kids and to "nip" problems before they become bigger ones. They are typically power hungry and just wringing their hands to find new issues to suspend kids over.
    I would really hate any children's attempts to quit smoking with a PV to be brought to national attention- certainly this would give vaping a bad name...after all so many campaigns are "for the children."

    I also see and have already thought of the parallels mentioned above with the "abstinence" programs. Remember when passing out condoms in schools to decrease pregnancy was the thing (before the Bushies) and then it was "Just Say No" to Drugs, Sex, all Sins? So much has changed....it really is "Quit or Die" as the main-stay of political thinking all the way from State and local governments all the way down into school boards and your child's own school.....Still all politics w/ a pseudo-moral leaning.
     
  10. TennDave

    TennDave Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    daveymist Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    Is patches or gum considered tobacco products?
     
  12. Stoggy24

    Stoggy24 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    I smoked in my senior year i would always go off property to smoke during lunch i was 18 still i come back from my smoke break deliver some messages to a p.e coach and he told me i smelled like smoke so he sent me to the office and i was like whys it matter if i smoke im leggal so instead of writing me up for smoking give me 2 out of school for going off the school grounds :unsure:
     
  13. ponytail girl

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    There was a smoking area in my High school in the 80's and as a Freshman it meant no more hiding like Jr High...Times have changed..now that I have kids I can't image a 14 being allowed to smoke at school like I was..I'm glad your son turned to vaping he is almost and adult anyway..plus it's keeping him in school..and not using tabacoo..Don't worry about what other people think it's your life...
     
  14. MrsCasey

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    I started smoking at 14, my 3 best girl friends started at 13, 14 and 14, my husband started at 15. Most of the people I hung out with smoked well before 18 and a few dropped out of high school due to it interfering with their smoking habit. I myself had an off campus pass for lunch so I could smoke then. I would guess that the majority of smokers start before they are legally old enough to buy a pack of cigarettes. I only wish Vaping had been an option at that time as it may very well saved me 25 years of cigarette addiction.
     
  15. Str8V8ping

    Str8V8ping Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    You did a good thing. It would be wrong if you didnt get him into vaping. I also started smoking at 15 and if i were able to vape i wouldnt have cut so much . Id be stealth vaping right in class while doing my work.My teachers probably wouldnt even mind it. I never got in trouble for cutting to smoke a cig since most of the time i was out there smoking and talking with teachers but it sure did effect my grades cutting all the time. If they had vaping when i was in high school i most likely would have not been a smoker all these years. Not sure if it would of helped smoking other stuff though although id much rather my kid smoke the other stuff then cigarettes lol.
     
  16. maureengill

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    I used to be one of those kids that nobody ever saw in the cafeteria. We used to cut lunch so we could smoke....unfortunately the punishment for leaving school property was lesser than the punishment for getting caught smoking on school property. We would also somehow form a nice enough crowd at the top of the hill for fire alarms and pass a cig around...

    Wow...that brought back some memories :)
     
  17. mightypirate

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    Yup, I started smoking three months before I turned 18. Thankfully I wasn't up to a pack a day until after I graduated, otherwise I probably would have cut some classes.

    I'm of the opinion it's the parents job to educate their children, too much time was spent in my school preaching abstinence and the dangers of drug use. Instead of providing facts they tried to instill fear. Which I don't think worked so well since I personally toked with half of my graduating class of 500...great job Essex Highschool.
     
  18. bobthesalesclerk

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    I probably payed a good $500 in fines during high school getting caught smoking in the bathroom. I would always skip class to smoke. I would rather see a teen vaping then smoking but tell him to be smart about it.

    He should not be(even though he probably is)going around showing all his friends his cool new device. Tell him to be smart about it and h should be fine.

    sent from my Ice Cream Sandwiched Gtablet
     
  19. TennDave

    TennDave Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Yes...Be Smart
    Be Safe!!!
     
  20. JmeMcG

    JmeMcG Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I have a son who now vapes with my permission and although I know it is against the law (he just turned 17 on the 6th of this month) I prefer he vape than smoke. My husband and I were both long-time smokers, I myself started when I was 15. He (my son) started "sneaking" cigs from our packs when he was 14... like we didn't know... We went through all the punishment crap with him and it really made me feel like such a hypocrite, but in my mind and heart I was trying to keep him from getting hooked and having to deal with the addiction I knew so well first hand. I knew he was going to smoke anyway (I did too, no matter how much trouble I got into) and we (my husband and I) turned into exasperated parents while my son turned into a sneaky liar. Not a great family scenario to say the least. After quite a while of constant conflict and ever increasing problems at school with him skipping and getting busted for smoking we basically had a sit down with him at home and told him we would rather he smoked in front of us (we knew he was doing it anyway) than sneak and lie. Anway, we/he have had to deal with skipping issues, getting busted by the police, going to court, paying fines, taking mandatory "tobacco awareness" classes, etc, etc... fortunately he curbed the skipping so much, but the smoking was still a big problem and all the education, punishment, saturday schools, detentions, suspensions, counseling, parent-school conferences and so on were not going to "make him quit" like they wanted to happen.
    When I decided to start vaping a little over a month ago, I started having the discussion about e-cigs vs. analogs with him and was surprized to learn that a few of his friends had the disposable "gas station" type, he had already tried them and was pretty excited and on board with me to quit smoking analogs and start vaping. So here we are.
    The first few weeks he took one of my PV's to school and I know he would go in the bathroom for a quick toot. He is not one to flaunt things, so keeping in on the DL was not a problem. He doens't even need to take it to school with him anymore, but vapes in the morning and when he gets home. I have noticed over the last month that he really doesn't even vape that much at home anymore. I am proud of him for not smoking and feel a little better as a parent for allowing him to vape instead of smoke. Ultimately, I would prefer he didn't do either, but that comes from my parental mindset and knowing first hand how hard it is to quit smoking. I wish I never would have started myself all those many years ago. I want the best for my children, as we all do. I also know the things I did in my teen years (and later... :D) and try to deal with things like this with understanding. Although I don't condone all of the things I know he is doing... I have also been there and done it myself. For us, dealing with these issues openly and honestly has dramatically improved our relationships.
    I know this was long and rambling, but there are a few things I feel strongly about and I don't give a damn if others want to judge me or tell me I'm a bad parent. He is my kid. He is a great kid. Dealing with life issues is not one size fits all... and to this day I still have not recieved the "user manual" in the mail for my children... LOL!
     
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