vaping for pleasure is great! Granted, I vape to not smoke, but I also find vaping way more pleasurable than smoking (and a cool hobby to mess with). And of the the guilty pleasures to have, it probably ranks safer than your other choices. Only you can and should decide what risk you want to take with your health My daughter loves skydiving, which, while usually safe, isn't without some risk. I think she's nuts. We all choose our own path.
Mouth inhale safer for lungs?
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vaping for pleasure is great! Granted, I vape to not smoke, but I also find vaping way more pleasurable than smoking (and a cool hobby to mess with). And of the the guilty pleasures to have, it probably ranks safer than your other choices. Only you can and should decide what risk you want to take with your health My daughter loves skydiving, which, while usually safe, isn't without some risk. I think she's nuts. We all choose our own path.
I smoked for 47 years and I was always a mouth to lung type smoker. I have hardly any health issues at all. A lot of my friends now deceased, were lung inhalers if that tells you anything. I always felt that those smokers for some reason were in the worst shape, probably the tar going straight to the lung. Since I have been vaping the last 5 years, my health is even better. I would be more concerned with the heat of the vapor. I have become a lung inhaler on my bellus here lately and love it. I have noticed no changes at all, but there is a big difference in what's in cigs and what's in vapor. At this point I'll take my chances.
May be I'm repeating something that's already been said but, vaper is a mild irritant to the lungs, probably trivial compared to smoking but it's all about the dose. Whether you do MTL or lung inthales may be what matters is daily ml's over time.
The impact probably depends on overall health. A young person with a fresh pair of lungs and good recuperation might be able to shrug off all the irritation for many years. Someone who is old and infirm may not do so well. Regardless smoking's gotta be way worse than vaping. I'm no fan of never smokers vaping.
Flavoring - and it depends on which Flavoring and so far, only indications of Mild irritation. Become Fully informed. All test in the Documentary were on Flavored e-liquids.
Flavor Art is having their Line(painstakingly) Certified Safe for Inhalation.
Sometimes I play Call of Duty. In between matches, I take a few big Lung inhales. once I forgot to drip. Lung inhale. Dry coil. Yea.... mouth inhales are safer than lung inhales. That dry lung inhale Hurt like a (insert word of your choice). I had to leave that lobby,
I think people should vape however works for them. If you think MTL is better for you, do it. I won't be changing my standard DL inhales, because I find them much more satisfying, and a little lung irritation doesn't bother me.
Of course the lungs are evolved to extract oxygen from air, ideally without any contaminants. However, I might disagree with your speculation that the average person encountered "much less air contamination in centuries/millennia past". For most of our species' history; people spent considerable amounts of time huddled around open fires, breathing in a significant amount of wood etc smoke regularly. The very fact that it takes most people decades of daily smoking before they develop lung cancer etc attests to how resilient the respiratory system is.
Anyway, I'm not worried about a little irritation from vapor, not even slightly. Ymmv.
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Just a thought, when you breathe through your nose, your nose hairs trap a small amount of particles from the air. An air filter to some degree to lightly "clean" the air you breathe in one inhale at a time. But while vaping, you take a lung/mouth full of air through your mouth. Our mouths have no filter so any dust/particles floating around the intake holes gets sucked right in straight to your lungs.
Without evidence of actual harm this is a solution in search of a problem. And a variation of "there must be something wrong with that". Standard ANTZ tactic. Why are you carrying their water?
Eta:. I guess aerobic exercise is equally harmful since that always results in large volumes of direct lung inhales. You might want to see how that plays in the jogging and exercise forums.
Agreed.... Many folks consider Tobacco SMOKE to be some kind of Magical Evil "special" SMOKE.
But SMOKE is SMOKE = Not good for inhalation.
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I watched that program. The bit you are referring to is the results of Micheal vaping for a month. He is a non smoker and never smoked in his life. Obviously, if you are a non smoker you shouldn't take up vaping as there will always be some adverse effects in the lungs. Despite his results showing a decrease in function it was stated to him that it will clear up in no time at all. There also wasn't a comparison to a smoker for this test. Smoking probably is far higher than the 4x that the Doc stated but without any stats it's difficult to say.
During the program a group of 32 individuals were also given tests. One group continued to smoke. Another went cold turkey whilst another on NRT and the last on e-cigs. If you watch it from 48 mins you will see the results for Carbon Monoxide, Acrolein - a carcinogenic, and Nicotine levels in the body. They were all greatly improved in the 3 groups that stopped smoking whatever the method. There was also great improvement in heart function and elasticity. All the results were virtually identical to those of non smokers.
The only test that revealed 'something' was the airway resistance test. However, they didn't show the results for this for some strange reason. I believe it was because there was a reduction but not as much as the Cold Turkey or NRT group. He said they'll continue to investigate and I've also heard him saying, on another program, that they're continuing to monitor all the individuals so I expect a follow up program sometime.
In short. If you smoke. Vaping is very good as a harm reduction and eventually reducing to complete non dependence of the ritual. Obviously,If you don't smoke don't vape.
For those that can't access the program here are a couple of graphs of the results:
Carbon Monoxide:
Acrolein:
Nicotine:
I watched that program. The bit you are referring to is the results of Micheal vaping for a month. He is a non smoker and never smoked in his life. Obviously, if you are a non smoker you shouldn't take up vaping as there will always be some adverse effects in the lungs. Despite his results showing a decrease in function it was stated to him that it will clear up in no time at all. There also wasn't a comparison to a smoker for this test. Smoking probably is far higher than the 4x that the Doc stated but without any stats it's difficult to say.
During the program a group of 32 individuals were also given tests. One group continued to smoke. Another went cold turkey whilst another on NRT and the last on e-cigs. If you watch it from 48 mins you will see the results for Carbon Monoxide, Acrolein - a carcinogenic, and Nicotine levels in the body. They were all greatly improved in the 3 groups that stopped smoking whatever the method. There was also great improvement in heart function and elasticity. All the results were virtually identical to those of non smokers.
The only test that revealed 'something' was the airway resistance test. However, they didn't show the results for this for some strange reason. I believe it was because there was a reduction but not as much as the Cold Turkey or NRT group. He said they'll continue to investigate and I've also heard him saying, on another program, that they're continuing to monitor all the individuals so I expect a follow up program sometime.
In short. If you smoke. Vaping is very good as a harm reduction and eventually reducing to complete non dependence of the ritual. Obviously,If you don't smoke don't vape.
For those that can't access the program here are a couple of graphs of the results:
Carbon Monoxide:
Acrolein:
Nicotine:
Here I disagree with you. Life expectancy of our ancestors was so low... May be bad air played some part in it.
In my opinion - mouth inhale is much safer. Most of all because of juice consumption (and to some degree because more juice is absorbed in mouth and not reaching lungs).
As far as I know there were no research of subohm vaping. May be most researchers do not yet know it exists - it got popularity less than two years ago.
I just do not believe putting 30 ml of juice in lungs daily is harmless.
I still believe it is much less harmful than smoking, however I am limiting my juice consumption (may be mostly because I want to keep my wife happy, but also because of health considerations).
high pg/nic irritates my throat, I do not experience it with max vg/low nic. while the tests they performed do contain some valuable data what they didn't test was a broad spectrum of products on a wide group of people...
There is a lot of studies done on vaping releasing only the most negative data, while perhaps in some people it wasn't an irritant at all only the data showing the extremes are shown to the public, which is why I only trust studies that show a wide range of graphs that include all the data and are peer reviewed by scientists I trust...
I think birthday cake candles should be banned! Too many children taking a deep inhale through their mouths directly into their lungs, that may actually include smoke, to blow the candles out.
I could say something similar about toasting marshmallows, but open fires are pretty much a thing of the past already.
I could say something similar about toasting marshmallows, but open fires are pretty much a thing of the past already.
Compared to lack of public sanitation, clean food/water sources, and modern medicine, "bad air" played a minor part indeed.
One can "sub ohm" just fine without going through 30+ ml a day. I'm nowhere near that.
Whatever works for ya dude, but please don't pick up ANTZ attitudes along the way.
Rather that considering whether vaping may be harmful in the long term, consider the jaw erosion, tar filled lungs, shortness of breath. Just some of the on going effects of smoking.
From this point of view i'd say it is quite clear that smoking is infinitely worse for your health than any vaping could ever be. The evidence from a long term smoking habit is all the information you'll ever need to convince you that vaping is a good thing.
From this point of view i'd say it is quite clear that smoking is infinitely worse for your health than any vaping could ever be. The evidence from a long term smoking habit is all the information you'll ever need to convince you that vaping is a good thing.
Give up smoking and vaping, it's baaaaaad for you. Buy nicotine base and spread it on your arms so that it soaks in...and start wearing an N95 Mask.
Good point about our ancestors breathing in loads of smoke - hadn't even occurred to me....
I vape 3mg juice and get through 3-6 mls a day - always one tank but rarely two, aside from on the weekend.
I vape 3mg juice and get through 3-6 mls a day - always one tank but rarely two, aside from on the weekend.
Just tried some Yaeliq juice for the first time after a good six week steep. Maple Pecan, Land of Milk and Hiney, Custard V2 and Ultimate Cake (with pecan and apple as the two flavour choices).
I like it...
I like it...
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