Never tried a genny, looking at the Avocado 24 and the Theorem

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  1. 6steelstrings

    6steelstrings Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 14, 2014
    North Carolina Triad
    My vaping progression has gone from clearomizers to Kayfuns, to velocity deck RTAs with wide bore drip tips and RDAs. Until today I had never even heard of a Genesis style tank.

    In researching them, the Avocado 24 and the Wismec Theorem caught my eye and both seem really interesting. It seems to me that a Genesis combines the flavor that you would get from a dripper with the portability that an RTA gives you.

    In trying to decide which to buy, I like the radical looks of the Theorem but my practical side says that I should go for the more conservative design of the Avocado.

    Does anyone here have any experience with these attys?

    I know, I know, just buy both. Don't tempt me because I will.
     
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  2. Taff Evans

    Taff Evans Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 7, 2016
    They both seem to have their followers, and both seem to be a decent tank, so its really a matter of which looks best for your way of vaping. They both seem to have wide open air-flow, while most genesis tanks have a more closed air-flow than they do, and some down to a 1mm hole.

    You will hear here though that these are not really classed as Genesis atomisers. They are more correctly said to be auto-drippers. genesis tanks use a mesh or SS Rope wick and not cotton.

    Most of us that use Genesis tanks think that using a mesh wick is fundamental in a Genny. No cotton! The taste you get from a mesh or SS Rope genesis tank is thought to be superior to a cotton wick, and besides which its a whole lot easier to maintain, as you don't have to keep changing out the cotton in there.

    I certainly think that Mesh tastes a whole lot better than cotton... yes its harder to install in the first place and there is a bit of a learning curve, but there are plenty of videos on YouTube to show you how its done.

    Once you master that, there is a whole world of Genesis atomisers out there that will give you some of the best taste you will get from vaping.

    As an aside, one of the easiest tanks to learn on is the humble Smok RSST. (if you can find one now) insulated wick holes so less shorting out, and simple to build on, and a great vape.

    Good luck with whatever you choose to do, but do consider a mesh or SS rope build Genny, you would not regret it.
     
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  3. 6steelstrings

    6steelstrings Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 14, 2014
    North Carolina Triad
    Fate has decided for me. I place a bid on a Wismec Theorem on eBay for $16 and won, with free shipping. Not too shabby. So soon I will have a new toy to play with.
     
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  4. Taff Evans

    Taff Evans Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 7, 2016
    Nice buy mate... hope its a good one for you. Let us know how you find it ok?

    Cheers!
     
  5. sawlight

    sawlight Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 2, 2009
    Kansas
    From reading the other atties you have, I think you'll like it better.
    I have both, the Avacodo is easier to build, but harder to wick. I like the flavor of the Theorum better and I can control the airflow better. Even with the afc shut down on a single coil build, it's still airier than I care for.
     
  6. Vaya

    Vaya Senior Member ECF Veteran

    As @Taff Evans pointed out, neither of these are genesis devices... they are RDTA's (aka "auto-drippers"). Why they would be marked as 'genesis-style' is beyond me!

    At any rate, I've never tried the Avocado. The Theorem was, to me, kind of a piece of garbage. interesting design, but the glass inner tank being literally held to the SS outer sleeve with glue that separated instantly the minute I unboxed the thing was my first warning sign. The notch coils were unnecessary novelties, and the thing came pre-wicked with sooooooo much cotton, it was astounding. Rebuilding the thing, too, proved awkward and I ended up just giving the thing away after a few weeks.

    Best part was the drip tip :) after I got a custom glass tank for my Nextiny, I realized that this was the *perfect* tip for it and was so happy that I kept it :D
     
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  7. 6steelstrings

    6steelstrings Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 14, 2014
    North Carolina Triad
    I have had my Theorem for about a week now and here are my thoughts. It is very easy to wick. The glass tank is nearly impossible to get off of the deck. The fill hole is too far down to fill the tank easily unless you use a dropper, a syringe or a unicorn bottle with a very long nozzle. The top cap comes off too easily and if you are not using the silicone block, the top cap will just fall off. I think it looks really cool.The flavor is absolutely incredible!

    There are numerous cons and the incredible flavor, and the cool looks, in my opinion, are the only pros. Wismec needs to do a lot of work to make this rdta better. It has great potential and if they could fix the flaws that it has they will have a real winner.
     
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  8. SkvLTD

    SkvLTD Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 10, 2013
    MD
    Would you rather the glass pop right off? I feel that lots of glass complaints are from folk who don't know how to work this kinda setup.... And idea is that this is a single coil, easy-fill simple and leak-proof atty and just that. You don't wanna get it expecting it to do what it wasn't designed to do. Also, and I myself missed this initially - the chamber block piece DOES have an air channel running through it if you want dual/bottom air flow as well, so there's no real reason to pop it off completely.
     
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  9. sawlight

    sawlight Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 2, 2009
    Kansas
    I worked with a buttload of tanks and only broken two glass sections. One on a Bachelor from dropping it, and one on the Theorum, I heard it go "ting" 20min after I'd just cleaned and refilled it as I was vaping away in my recliner.
     
  10. SkvLTD

    SkvLTD Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 10, 2013
    MD
    Did Wismec perhaps fix the tanks in their later batches? I got mine late August and am YET to have any sort of issue with it.
     
  11. sawlight

    sawlight Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 2, 2009
    Kansas
    I've no idea, I'd like to think, hope, they did?
    I contacted them because of mine, and several others here, had problems and was basicly told they didn't give a rip! That was the final nail in the Wismec coffin for me! They'll never see another dime of my money.
     
  12. SkvLTD

    SkvLTD Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 10, 2013
    MD
    That sucks, but they're not the only ones who don't offer replacements for glass. Look at Kidney Puncher and their shipping policies for example. KP is a pretty decent site otherwise, but I hear flak about that lots of times. Also reason why there are spare glasses included with lots of tanks today.
     
  13. sawlight

    sawlight Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 2, 2009
    Kansas
    Funny thing is, I didn't even ask for a new glass, just wanted them to know there was an issue!
    I've run the second glass four? months now with no issues at all. But, I baby the crap out of it since then! I know of at least two members here that went through two glasses in a week? To me that indicates a problem with something?
    Like I say, it's a neat tank with better flavor than the Avacodo but the Avacodo is easier for me to deal with. If a used Theorum came up for the right price, I'd jump all over it! But I won't buy anything new from Wismec because I don't support their practices.
     
  14. SkvLTD

    SkvLTD Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 10, 2013
    MD
    Then perhaps they did fix the QC? Statistics matter a whole lot - say 10 notices vs lets say 1000 units sold isn't really a merit for worry vs say 50% or higher.
     
  15. 6steelstrings

    6steelstrings Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 14, 2014
    North Carolina Triad
    I have taken what you have said to heart and I realise that you are exactly right. I had been trying to make the Theorem something that it is not. This morning I removed the notch coil and replaced it with a 5 wrap fused clapton coil and I do like this build much better than the notch coil. Today was a work at my home office day and I have to say that this is where the Theorem shines. I sat a my desk most of the day and happily vaped with the Theorem and enjoyed it very much. I realise now that the Theorem cannot be a replacement for an RTA like the Griffin or the Aromamizer. It just isn't designed to be used that way. Basically it is a modified dripper or hybrid dripper and not meant to be a pocketable item. I have really enjoyed sitting in the comfort of my home office and happily vaping away with this really cool atomizer.
     
  16. GccTxs67

    GccTxs67 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 18, 2015
    Virginia
    I have actually been usng the Avocado since the original release of the 22.

    They are all I use. They don't leak, easy to build, easier to wick, best flavor I have ever had and nice puffy clouds.

    Never tried the Theorem but there is one in the Classifieds I am thinking of snagging.
     
  17. Innova

    Innova Full Member

    Mar 18, 2015
    Virginia
    Maybe they could have a "RDTA" section?
     
  18. PaulBHC

    PaulBHC Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 22, 2014
    Arizona
    If you like the Avocado, I don't think you will like the Theorem. I use 2 22mm Avos daily. I don't like the airflow on the Theorem or removing the glass to wick or build.
     
  19. VictorC

    VictorC Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 26, 2015
    Toronto, Ontario
    Agree with some previous comments, Avocado and Theorem are not true genies but rather RDTAs. You may want to search for In'Ax, Nextgen, DID and such. Mesh produces the best flavour I've tried. PITA to deal with hot spots but once it's up and running build lasts forever.
     
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  20. Scy123

    Scy123 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 10, 2014
    Canada
    Theorem can do mesh as well. I like it a lot. Not really my every day vape but it's different and works well.

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