New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers
- Thread starter mikepetro
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
OK.
Some believe that Volts/Wicking play a Larger Role in what Wire Temperatures are achieved than the size of Wire.
Guess they are just Mis-Informed.
Whats funny is people are so hard to convince! The evidence is here now in Black & White.
I'v been onboard with TC from the beginning, It didn't take all this evidence for me, just a few bad dry hits.
I'v been onboard with TC from the beginning, It didn't take all this evidence for me, just a few bad dry hits.
Oh I'm not guessing. I've been vaping TC for a long time and have a temp reference when using kanthal/nichrome.
I guess that's another reason to vape with at least one TC setup, so you have a temp reference.
Most of them also believed that Tootling solved all issues.
Despite myself and others hollering from the rafters for years now.
"Because most agree" is never a legitimate argument.
Tapatyped
So vaping is doomed? It's done? It'll now be open season for taxes and regulations and it will simply be too onerous and too much trouble for people to start or stay with it?
So many questions...
So many questions...
careful , them tootlers are vicious of their methods. Heck tootling is the only way to vape, less You be a chaser of clouds. Sad thing is most tootling devices have no options for tc another sore point of this whole thing.
I dont think vaping is doomed at all. IMHO we are just learning more about it.
Now as for regs, who knows....
Guess I'm just Not into Blanket Statements or One Size Fit's all Beliefs. And see things more from a Physical Perspective.
If you Exceed a certain Wire Temperature, be it a Tootling Puffer or a Gigawatt Cloud Chaser or something in-between, you are Producing Toxin(s) in your Vapor. And the Amount of Toxin(s) appear to be Exponentially Proportional to the Exceeded Temperature.
And If you Don't Exceed this certain Wire Temperature, be you a Tootling Puffer or a Gigawatt Cloud Chaser or something in-between, then the Toxin(s) production is Very Low as compared to a Burning Cigarette.
Yeah, not the first person I've heard that from (not the stupid part).
A properly set up tc rig will produce vapor even hotter than you're likely comfortable with.
I think Tootle puffers, MTL vapers, Lung Hitters, Cloud Chasers, etc can all be satisfied. This is just about learning how to do it safer.
BINGO!
This is only my opinion of course, but I think you and your wife are fine. I have no doubt in my mind that by now, you both recognize a dry hit, and likely recognize the hit BEFORE a dry hit, which is the important one. You certainly know how to use your devices to avoid bad tasting vapes. Maybe, if you or your wife are the kinds of vapers who like to draw until the device cutoff each time, you might want to let off the button a little sooner though.
I haven't seen anyone argue that TC is bad, or that it isn't important to keep your vape from hitting the temperatures where emissions spike, the argument that I've seen is against the thought that TC is the only means of accomplishing this.
can be Yes but a large majority of totling devices only take factory coils which larger majority are kanthal and not a common tc metal. This creates the sore point and "need" to defend their ways
A reference measuring wire temp over a specified duration on a saturated coil for various coil wire diameters and coil diameters at a range of power levels would sure be useful. I hope someone has the time, materials and knowledge to do so, and soon!
For us die hard mech users, even though I know a dry hit when I taste it and generaly fix the issue pronto.
You're in the rafters again.
We all know it's a balance.
But it starts here.
Decide what type of vaper you are.
This decides what type of coil you need.
Which then decides a power/airflow/wicking balance.
I've run the gambit.
From 6 to over 100 watts.
From flavorless to mad Murdocks radiator pluid full strength.
From a pin hole to nearly aiming an air mover at my stove top.
From 0mg to 100mg/ml @ 6 to 80 Watts.
Single coil, dual coil, dual twisted, octo coil and claptons alike.
Simple fact;
Give a t-puffer a 20 gauge coil and you're in trouble.
Give a cloud chaser a 34 gauge coil and there won't be a second pull.
Give a mid range vaper either and it's not going to work out.
But once you got it right, you have to match the other variables to get the right draw and surface temperature.
Now let's not resort to emotional string pulling and the facade that somehow this relates to that.
Fact is, it all starts with the coil. You build around it.
Tapatyped
Been searching most of the morning trying to find something with kanthal which is my preferred wire and haven't found anything useful yet.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
