I'm going to email them. I just won a bottle of EcoBerry from want2vape in a vapemeet raffle and it is fantastic. It tastes like real berries, not artificial. I found this post when I searched on the company (of whom I hadn't heard until today.) I will be emailing them for feedback. Will get back to this thread when I hear from them.
Greetings All,
First thank you MsComptrtchr for bringing this thread to our attention. I will be monitoring it from now on.
Second, Mr. Moderator PLEASE don't sanction me for this informative reply.
We at want2vape have been in conversation with Alessandro of MondosVapo for the last 2 weeks explaining our position on his finding.
I really don't know how he even had enough product to test after not ordering for over a year and a half. But we have heard through various European forums that our wares are being diluted. But anyway,
Here is what we have found to be the case with NETs and our Chemical Engineers (J.D., B.S.Ch.E., ) reply.
(This is a direct cut and paste from our emails with many reference links included)
Greetings Alessandro ,
Thank you for sending the lab reports.
Pretty much as I described below is what our Chemical Engineer said as well.
This is what he (our Chemical Engineer) has to say:
Take a look at this spreadsheet showing the numbers from that Italian lab assay and some reported tobacco values along with some maximum daily exposure values. I included the citation. The fact that there are metals in the sample is not surprising at all, since it is a natural extract process. You have very small particles of the plant tissue present, obviously and you concentrate certain elements by the extraction process. Looks like the arsenic might be around 5 ug/mL in water solubility naturally. I'm not surprised either that PG could, if exposed to the plant fibers a sufficient time, concentrate As. If that's the case, you would appear to be doing a 10-to-1 concentration.
But, you have to basically drink the eJuice to get exposure because it has such low volatility that it is not going to vaporize. That crusty crap that kills attys certainly has carbon and other non-volatiles. You simply cannot analyze eJuice and correlate that to what is vaporized. Most all metals do not vaporize, except in very special conditions, usually very high temperatures, which are not present in a standard atty.
Bottom line is, ok, these are natural elements present in the plants. You have a natural extraction procedure that might (might) concentrate some, but most are not. These compounds are not volatile and form part of carbon-crusties that kill your atty.
Lab Assay Liquid Lab Assay Tobacco Tobacco Avg. Dietary
eJuice Density eJuice High Low Reported Exposure
ug/ml g/ml ug/g ug/ml ug/ml ug/g ug/day 5 mg/L
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Lead 0.672 1.05 0.640 0.32 41 0.005 mg/mL
Cadmium 0.066 1.05 0.063 1.05 19.5
Chromium 0.0222 1.05 0.021 3 0.1 1.6 35
Zinc 0.896 1.05 0.853 31 17
Nickel 0.164 1.05 0.156 2.05 150
Arsenic 11.374 1.05 10.832 1 1 0.21 56
Copper 0.0126 1.05 0.012
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/2012/10/low-trace-metal-levels-in-american.html
So tell me just how much of our Vapenstein Blend do you have in stock?
And why are you only now testing it after 1.5 years?
Donley
From: mailto:contact@want2vape.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 1:40 PM
To:
info@mondosvapo.com
Subject: Re: Customer Comments from want2vape
Greetings Alessandro good to hear from you.
First, We would like a copy (translated if possible) of this lab report as we are as concerned as yourself.
We are particularly concerned as to the testing methodology ( light and electron microscopy, cytotoxicity testing, and x-ray microanalysis or graphite furnace-atomic absorption spectrometry (GFAAS) ) as well as the levels of concentration.
Also why did you have these tested? You haven't ordered from us in over a year. Are you trying to replicate them?
I’m surprised you had any left to test.
But all that aside, here is some info for you to read.
ALL tobaccos contain trace amounts of heavy metals (1) as these are natural products not synthetically produced flavors. And it can vary from country to country.
And can be higher when vaped as well (2)
And our Signature blends (formally named Vapenstein Blends) are made from Natural tobaccos with NO artificial ingredients.
Our base PG & VG are ALL USP/ Kosher certified.
The only exception in any of our ingredients is the nicotine which is manufactured in Europe., everything else in manufactured in the USA. As even nicotine claimed to be produced in the USA is only marked as made here and in actuality manufactured in India, Belgium and Germany. Ours contain apx. 200 times less (metals) than allowed.
And our nicotine contains close to the same levels found in pharmaceutical nicotine products like nicotine patches and inhalers.
(See the attached COA) And contain the same amount allowed in Europe in concentrated fruit juices. (3)
Nicotine by it’s very nature in it’s concentrated form contains higher levels than found in the same volume of tobacco as pure nicotine is a 3333% concentration. However our lab assays show our nicotine is well within the GRAS limits.
And we know many of your customers dilute the vapenstein blends to 25% from reading the forums so the levels of metals would be 25% of whatever lab assay states.
Have a great day, we look forward to your lab report.
Donley
1
Levels of Heavy Metals in Popular Cigarette Brands and Exposure to These Metals via Smoking
High amounts of heavy metals found in China tobacco | Reuters
HEAVY METAL (Cd, Cu, Pb, Cr, Zn, Hg) CONCENTRATIONS IN TOBACCO OF COMMONLY SMOKED CIGARETTE BRANDS PURCHASED IN GERMANY, CHINA, RUSSIA, INDIA AND CANADA
http://www.agr.uth.gr/labs/soil/pdfs/pdf14.pdf
nicotine - Everything 2.com
2
Electronic Cigarettes Contain Higher Levels of Toxic Metal
3
Consolidated TEXT- 32006R1881 - EN - 01.07.2010 (about half way down the page)
http://www.lef.org/p...prtcl-156.shtml
http://www.ema.europ...WC500003587.pdf
http://www.foodquali...oodstuffs_.html
www.govtlab.gov.hk-g-texchange-Stds for heavy metals.pdf
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action: Information
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subject: vapenstein liquid
Message: Hello, i'm an old reseller of your liquid vapenstein. An italian laboratory wrote me yesterday, 'cause They found hard metal like lead, and zinc and also arsenic. especially in louisville. Can you send some explanation about this? Thank you in advance.