Is that 0mg pure PG/VG? That should be around 7 and not 4.5
I don't think you can measure a non aqueous solution with PH paper hence the wrong reading.
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I don't think you can measure a non aqueous solution with PH paper hence the wrong reading.
Yes it is, straight PG/VG with no added water, which seems to have no effect on the color of the paper other than darkening it. However, the moment you add nic, it shows up as substantially alkali. Every juice I've tested, even substantially citrusy ones, as well as unflavored, indicate in the 8-8.5 range on that paper, with one exception: The Juul stuff. Juul uses benzoic acid to turn some of the nic in their juuce into a nicotine salt.
Juul claims it speeds absorption. I think there might be something to this. I suspect it also tempers the throat hit of their (59 mg/ml!) juuce. Thread here:
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You lower the ph of the nic, which makes odor/taste much less pronounced, and the absorbtion is fastened a little. Btw, Nic in tobacco is in salt-form, I believe.
Nic in tobacco is burnt into suspended particulate matter.
Nic in joose is evaporated into vapor.
Curious as to the validity of this salt idea as well as the likelyhood of salt being suspended in the vapor as opposed to collecting on the coils as the vapor escapes.
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Nic in joose is evaporated into vapor.
Curious as to the validity of this salt idea as well as the likelyhood of salt being suspended in the vapor as opposed to collecting on the coils as the vapor escapes.
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If you remember, Big Tobacco was accused on converting nic to "free-based nicotine" (i.e. salts of nic) by addition of ammonia to cigarettes, to increase addiction to nicotine.
I tried to google about nic salts in tobacco itself, but it looks like there is no reliable data (at least on first two pages of search).
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Well, all four of our samples have a pH of around 8.5,
That's in the same range as every juice I've ever looked at, except the Juul stuff that IS "pH adjusted" to produce nic salts. That's the bottom one among these:
And here's a previous comparison between 0mg, an older batch of VT nic, and Juul juuce:
I just want to remind that pH is valid only for water solutions. All measurements of not-water based liquids have no quantitative meaning. And nicotine is a base, and it may be reflected in color of litmus paper (especially with a tiny bit of water in solution), but I would not pay much attention to quantification of results.
I wouldn't use that. I believe you have to use something like 5ml liquid to test and after the test it's ruined so you're wasting a lot of nic that way. Also, the liquid you're going to test has to be colorless to be able to correctly judge the color result. It's probably a mix of thymol blue, methyl red, bromothymol blue and phenolphthalein.
I'm sorry!
Thanks for the correction, mate. I remember reading about it yesterday from some source, but cannot remember from who, but they must be wrong then... I myself have no knowledge whatsoever about chemistry I must admit.Yeah, you're probably right, we should not view those values as meaningful except in relative terms; i.e. all the nics we're testing here are in the same ballpark in terms of pH as all the juices I've ever tested except for Juul's. I think indicates they're not pH-adjusted, which was the question I posted a page back that I was looking into.
... I Just _again_ looked at the coa's of the few brands that reports such, and just wanted to add that the coa's of the nics from nude-nicotine, alchem and chemnovatic, are all both extremelly pure and practically the same quality on paper, with regards to everything tested e.g. impurities, water and total purity(anhydrous assay) etc... Sorry if I allready posted this, can't really remember exactly
So is the testing done? 
I wanna see if I am right or not. 
I wanna see if I am right or not.
So is the testing done?
So far, I have only your results and my own.
I do hope many more will come in this weekend. Testers, please MESSAGE ME with the results of your tests. Please do not post them to the thread.
Please refer to post 2674 in this thread for testing criteria and reply format.
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I could use some more time Testing at high nic didn't work well for me, so I mixed up fresh bottles of the four samples at my usual 6mg. Differences at this level are more subtle and I want to spend more time with each of the samples.
Imho, then if having good tastebuds, then nics with different tastes can be differentiated at 6mg(but much better at 12 though), and for not so god tasters, 12mg would probably be needed. At 3mg, it's practically impossible to differentiate nics imho...
Edit: Sorry, maybe it's different for drippers, I dunno about that, as i'm unfortunetly too lazy to drip all the time, and hence, only have experience in rta's only...
Edit: Sorry, maybe it's different for drippers, I dunno about that, as i'm unfortunetly too lazy to drip all the time, and hence, only have experience in rta's only...
Somebody should have PM'd me.
I would have tested full strength, side by side with identical setups.
Along with an old sample of nic c and wiz labs.
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I think we could still get you in on this, Beck. I'm all out of sample bottles right now, but should have more by the middle of next week and will be happy to make up an additional batch.
Your results might not be as "blind" though, since I don't want to hold back the results from the initial participants What I'll do is number your samples instead of lettering them and you won't know what (if any) correlation exists between the numbers on yours and the letters on everyone else's.
BTW, what is "nic c"?
Your results might not be as "blind" though, since I don't want to hold back the results from the initial participants What I'll do is number your samples instead of lettering them and you won't know what (if any) correlation exists between the numbers on yours and the letters on everyone else's.
BTW, what is "nic c"?
Good plan.
I'll likely need more time than previous testers with my schedule.
Since I can, I presume we can add criteria such as at what dilution each nic tones down to where the pepper more resembles an earthy/leafy essence conducive to authenticating a favored tobacco flavor blend.
Give me a list of questions and I'll see what I can do.
PM'd about nic c.
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