Nicotine Comparisons

[JeremyR]

Yeah I was waiting for this to get done.. Then I'll give my results on all 9 that I have.

It will be in the likeness of cyrusvapes choices. As we both have/had similar desires in a nic base.

Good tobacco flavor, strong TH, little to no off taste.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Yeah I was waiting for this to get done.. Then I'll give my results on all 9 that I have.

It will be in the likeness of cyrusvapes choices. As we both have/had similar desires in a nic base.

Good tobacco flavor, strong TH, little to no off taste.

I'm with you and Cyrus Vap on those criteria. However, the responses I've received seem to indicate in some cases quite a variance from that, if not outright inverted. Further explanatory notes will be posted just prior to my posting of results, hopefully tomorrow.

 

[Dixie1954]

I use such wee amounts of flavorings if I got a tobacco flavored nic it would make it harder for me to make small batches.

 

[k702]

Sorry this has taken me so long. Just havent had the time i normally do... Im even about out of a few juices i normally have on hand in large quantities because i havent had time to mix anything... I will have my results soon though

 

[mhertz]

Question for the vets, please

I have only been able to taste my nic after changing to unflavored some 6 month ago thereabouts... The taste i'm percieving is either different levels of damp-tobacco/wooden/nutty undertones, or, with fresh chemnovatic nic, nothing, except extra "depth/mouthfeel" and lessened sweetness of the vg.

The notes when smelling directly into the bottle, has ussually been that nutty/tobacco taste mentioned above, clearly recognisable into the smell, but with the fresh chemnovatc, a slight fish smell(like nic msds's frequently report the smell of nic as), and some amonia undertones...

My question being, could you please explain to me how pure nic is supposed to taste and smell like. I'm doing my best to pick it up from both vaping and smelling but cannot! And so knowing how the pure nic is supposed to reveal itself, would help me pinpoint it. Also it's hard at 3mg for obvious reasons, but I vape about 10ml a day so don't wanna go any higher.

I have heard reports, especially in the beginnings of this thread, about "alkaline" taste and smell, which is obvious with a ph of about 10.2, and looking alkaline up, it just states bitter, and also lists a bunch of alkaline foods with wildly varying tastes.

As amonia is highly alkaline, then i'm maybe guessing that this is the smell and taste of pure nic(besides the fishy'nes)? Also, as that was what I seemed to pick up in the smell from the fresh chemnovatic, but not in the actual taste.

Some also say "like insecticide", which also was nic in the older days i've read, but I don't know what that's like either...

I was about to buy some nicorette chewing gum just to taste that, but unfortunetly, they were all with added flavor.

The tobacco tones, i'm pretty sure isn't the nic itself, but just leftovers from the extraction(other minor alkaloids), plus as I noticed, the oxidation highly hightens this aspect and which i've also read previosuly by Kurt.

Thanks alot in advance!

Martin.

 

[cags]

All you need to do is to follow the arrows from the quotes to backtrack and find out.

wow. thanks!!! I did not know that

 

[Exchaner]

mhertz, I have tried nicorette, and to me it was tasteless but had a peppery feel to it - a slight tingling sensation. As to what pure nicotine tastes like, you don't want to find out since it is deadly in its pure form.

 

[mhertz]

Thanks Exchaner Yeah, my wording was a bit wrong I see... I meant which taste properties in the dilluted nicbase were originating from the pure nic...

Please others also in the know, kindly explain those alkaline taste/smell charasterics to me, please...

 

[Cool_Breeze]

The results have been tabulated...

What an interesting batch of data we have here!

In order to help everyone better understand the results, I'd like to offer some observations on the data received and some thoughts.

There are three sets of comments.
1) The testing criteria
2) The apparent approaches of individuals
3) Comments on the aggregate outcomes

1) Testing Criteria
I think the criteria needs to be better defined or illuminated and agreed upon. It may be that terms such as "Pepperiness" are interpreted differently by individuals. I'm not sure that the 'agreed upon' part can be easily achieved. It 'might' be useful if everyone were using the same type of testing atomizer / cartomizer.

2) Individual Approaches
Odor - Many didn't seem to notice a great deal of odor and little differentiation between the four samples. Others, perhaps super-tasters did notice greater strength of odor and greater differences between them. I took my odor evaluations through the somewhat narrow opening of the 100mg/ml bottles supplied by Rossum and note they also had limited surface area of liquid base. I think these two factors kept indications of odor fairly low for myself and some others.

Tobacco Flavor - Some testers seemed to give higher grades to those with more tobacco flavor while others seemed to downgrade for that reason. This makes sense from the notion that some prefer a tobacco flavor in their vape while others probably pursue other types of flavoring in their routine vaping.

Pepperiness - While most testers didn't notice a lot of pepperiness in the samples, some did. While most found pepperiness undesirable, a couple scored peppery vapes highly. Because 9 out of 11 indicated Pepperiness was not a desired quality, the values are (sorta) inverted in the chart so as to reflect the low desirability. Apologies offered to those favoring pepperiness.

Chemical Taste - All found Chemical / Other Taste undesirable, so scores for that are also inverted like those of Pepperiness.

Throat Hit - It seems that for some greater Throat Hit merited higher scores and for some, lower.

Best According to Taste / Throat Hit - This may have been better without the 'Taste / Throat Hit' bit as some seemed not to desire these qualities. Simply 'Best' may have done the job.

Overall, some scored more highly those samples with no or little perceived pepperiness, odor, other taste or throat hit. In short, some favored the samples that were nearly devoid of any noticeable sensory properties. For others, some of the properties counted more when they were stronger. At least one participant scored in a narrow ranges, 0 to 4, while others may have used 0 to 10.

3) Aggregate Outcomes

The table to follow reflects averages of the scores provided by the testers. The seemingly better values are to the right. The numbers 0 through 10 across the top are very loosely correlated with the actual numerical averages...just a general indication.

With different approaches / sensitivities of testers, there tended to be a fair amount of cancelation. I.e., where one might score a sample highly relative to high tobacco flavor and throat hit, another might seem to score it lowly for those same apparent reasons. There was also some divergence on pepperiness which also cause for some canceling.

I'm not sure there is much in the averages that can guide anyone with surety. C & D do stand out some as having greater overall averages, though the data supporting those valuations seems to come from quite a bit of difference in perception of qualities / component scores.

My thought is that short of any great enlightenment coming from ensuing discussion, a tester can likely be comfortable with their own rankings. It's probably a safe bet when considering a purchase to go with what each individual found in their own testing and not go with the group averages. The group averages are only supported by a shotgun pattern of the individual criteria...perception and apparent approach varies quite a bit...outliers may count for any individual.

For thread viewers who may not have been part of the testing, C & D samples look a little better than the others, but you might review the individual criteria averages before making a selection.

Again, most any of the samples could be hit or miss depending on individual taste.

When averaged together, the scores on each criteria usually varied by little more than 2 points.

Almost everyone, when it came to grading favorites, scored them all higher than most of the individual criteria.

Here are some average ranges...
Odor - Low average sample - 1.45 High average sample - 3.18
Tobacco Flavor - Low - 1.91 High - 3.91
Pepperiness - Low - 1.18 High - 3.45 (inverted in chart)
Throat Hit - Low - 2.45 High - 4.55
Chemical Taste - Low - 1.00 High - 2.64 (inverted in chart)
Best Evaluation - Low - 4.45 High - 5.91

 

[Cool_Breeze]

The following table is "Preliminary." After Rossum provides me with the A, B, C, & D corresponding supplier names, I'll add that information along with cost per milliliter figures and post the updated table.

If there are errors in my tabulations, I'll ask forgiveness.

I offer thanks to all that participated!

Special thanks are offered to Rossum for his sponsorship and provision of nicotine bases for testing!


PS Cyrus Vap is right!

 

[Cool_Breeze]

And the preliminary table...

 

[Wow1420]

And the preliminary table...

View attachment 479507

I want to see if I'm interpreting the table right. Should we be reading the table as the "10 side" representing clearest, least odor, most tobacco taste, least pepper, most throat hit, least chemical taste?

BTW, I see 2 D's and no C on the color line.

Thank you for putting this chart together.

 

[Dixie1954]

I think it would be a good thing for you to re-post the questions along with that chart. Because I for 1 do not want any smell or taste to my nicotine or the least amount. IMO 1 of them smelled a bit like it had some acetyl pyrazine in it - but there was no way to write that into the findings. So according to the last question I rated a nicotine I would not give an enemy as high in taste and Throat hit which I still do not get, maybe because I am not a lung hitter?? Just my . Yes TY very much for trying to make sense out of that data.

 

[sketchness]

Hats off to @Rossum for the nic samples.

Thanks @Cool_Breeze for wrangling the data.

I had a lot of fun doing this. Even the lowest rated nic in my "opinion" was not disgusting. Can't wait to see which is which. It was great to have such a wide range of taster types. From @Dixie1954 sensitive taste buds to cool and the gang of tobacco taste lovers. And even my new to vaping impressions. Good times.

 

[WillyZee]

I'm waiting for everyone else to figure it out.


Sent via iPhone

 

[Exchaner]

I'm waiting for everyone else to figure it out.

So am I. Am I right to assume some qualities are rated low to high, while others are rated high to low? Why not rate everything from low to high for consistency?

 

[yzer]

Yes, there appears to be an error on the chart for the Clarity of Color result. Look at this photo of the four samples posted by Rossum.
Nicotine Comparisons


"One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just doesn't belong, Can you tell which thing is not like the others. By the time I finish my song?"

 

[Dixie1954]

I just wanna know which is which lol!! Definitely want to know what D was.

 

[KattMamma]

I'm really hoping you find a way, perhaps through discussion of results, to retabulate to get the "pepperiness" "throat hit" etc. in line, since some find those properties desirable and some don't. If not, I'm hoping I can tell by individual results.

Like Dixie, I want nic with the least amount of any sensory input - I only want to feel it in my blood, I don't want to taste it or feel it in my throat. Of course if it must have a taste, I'd prefer it taste like tobacco rather than chemicals, so that's kinda important too.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

The chart is basically set up to indicate higher desirability to the right, though that may be arguable. In the case of 'odor,' higher odor is to the right.

I'll not post the questions again as in a couple of cases (Pepperiness, Chemical Flavor) the scales are inverted per the consensus of the testers. That may add confusion. I can provide a copy of the test criteria via messaging upon request.

I haven't read everyone's posts after the preliminary post but will do so and hope to reply.