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Nicotine, too much can cause GERD in some people.

Discussion in 'Nicotine' started by a2dcovert, Dec 30, 2009.

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  1. a2dcovert

    a2dcovert Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    Thought I would start a new thread since this one will have a single purpose. Nicotine and it's effect on mine and others GI track. I had problems with vaping 36mg e-liquid. I would get GERD and have a real bad time with it because it feels just like a heart attack. I finally lowered my e-juice strength to 24mg and have had only one attach since that time, until today.

    Today I have added snus to my daily routine along with the PV. So, I think I will have to be careful about my total nicotine intake. It's going to be hard to determine what my limits are now that I have added a second nicotine source. I will have fun trying to figure this out.

    Anyway the point to my post is to give help to others who have similar issues. I proved a point today. When I told my doctor that when I vape too much I get GERD and he asked if I had tried another source for nicotone like the gum. I told him that I didn't think it mattered what the source for nicotine was. Now I have proved that it doesn't matter what the source for the nicotine is it's the total intake that seems to matter.

    One good point to make is that I have discovered a way to prove whether or not I am having a GERD attack. The symptoms of GERD in my experience is that it feels just like a heart attack. In fact it acts so much like a heart attack that if you take a nitro tablet it will go away. My test is to drink a full glass of water. If it goes away it was probably GERD and not a heart attack. You should still go to a doctor to have the problem investigated to be sure. It is really a scarry feeling. I have had angina which led to heart bypass surgery. The first time I had a GERD attack I took the nitro and the pain went away. That told me and my doctor that I was having a heart attack. An entire weekend and $50,000.00 later I got the GERD diagnosis. I have told my friend that I will probably die from a heart attack because I will think it is only a GERD attack.
     
  2. Thulium

    Thulium Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    That sounds like an adverse reaction to the PG rather than nicotine, especially since you mention that drinking water helps. Propylene Glycol is a humectant so it can dehydrate you. Try some VG e-liquid and see if that helps?
     
  3. Caesarea

    Caesarea Vaping Master ECF Veteran

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    A2dc, Useful info re the glass of water. Thanks.
    Isn't there some kind of electronic monitor you could use to differentiate between the 2 things?

    C.
     
  4. a2dcovert

    a2dcovert Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    No, it's the nicotine.
     
  5. Caesarea

    Caesarea Vaping Master ECF Veteran

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    I believe the nic can do this - I won't snus just before bedtime.

    C.
     
  6. a2dcovert

    a2dcovert Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    I had the kitchen sink thrown at me back in 2006 when I was hospitalized. They ran every test they could before coming up with the diagnosis. I could wear a heart monitor but it would take the doctor to read the data. Nothing I could simply check would be available. I can't go through the expense of having tests run everytime I have an attack.
     
  7. a2dcovert

    a2dcovert Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    I'm not sure how many people have this problem. I don't think it effects everyone the same way. But, I know that there others having this issue.
     
  8. olderthandirt

    olderthandirt Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    With all the snus you tried last night, adverse reactions yet?
     
  9. Caesarea

    Caesarea Vaping Master ECF Veteran

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    That's a bummer, sorry, it was a feeble idea. Best of luck with minimising the upsets from the nic, though.

    C.
     
  10. a2dcovert

    a2dcovert Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    It's possible OTD. I know the nicotine half life is very short, a couple of hours, but maybe the reaction was delayed? I am watching it closer now and really don't feel the urge to vape. I'll just have to come up with a solution. This morning I was doing both at the same time. Pacing my nicotine usage will be the solution I think.
     
  11. olderthandirt

    olderthandirt Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I see all sorts of positive for you a2d!
    You may well have no problem reducing the amount you vape now that you have some potentially agreeable snus to use!
     
  12. Doug_Dread

    Doug_Dread Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    Vaping gives me bad heartburn and when I lie down to sleep, nasty acid reflux, usually in combo with a rich meal. As soon as my stomach starts to feel iffy, I put a level teaspoon of Bicarbonate of Soda in my mouth and wash it down with a mouthful of water. A few hearty burps and all is well again. Very cheap and very effective.
     
  13. a2dcovert

    a2dcovert Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    I think you are right. I'm hoping to learn how to detect when I need nicotine and when I don't. Ill have to break the habit of vaping when I really don't need it.

    What surprised me today was that I was really hitting the snus hard last night and didn't have a problem. I wasn't doing the hard stuff today but was both vaping and snussing at the same time. Logic should surface soon.
     
  14. a2dcovert

    a2dcovert Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    I'll have to give that a try. I'm taking Zegrid to help eleminate acid right now but it isn't working when I over do the nic. I found out that Zegrid is simply Nexium with Bicarbonate of Soda. My co-pay on that stuff is $75.00 a month. Oh don't get me started on BP rants.
     
  15. olderthandirt

    olderthandirt Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    'Nuther cheap one for the heartburn is apple cider vinegar. A teaspoon of the apple vinegar and a teaspoon of water will knock out the the heartburn from most any cause, fast!

    Not sure if this would work as well with the complications presented from GERD but...
     
  16. a2dcovert

    a2dcovert Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    GERD is heartburn on steroids. I've had heartburn before and it doesn't hold a candle to GERD. The pain is caused by spasums of the esophagus. The pain is very intense and I even get pain in my jaw bone. Just like a heart attack.
     
  17. Doug_Dread

    Doug_Dread Senior Member ECF Veteran

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    That surprises me, neutralising acid by adding more acid? Fighting fire with fire? I'll have to try it just out of curiosity. :D
     
  18. a2dcovert

    a2dcovert Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    What surprised me the most in 2006 was to find out that Nitro will releave GERD. My gastro Dr. said that the esophagus is made of the same type of muscels that the heart is. Nitro causes this type of muscel to relax. Sounds like the next time i'll take Bicarbonate of Soda and a full glass of water.

    PS: Isn't that just what alka-seltzer is?
     
  19. olderthandirt

    olderthandirt Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Fire with fire, can't say, but I do know it's amazing how quickly it works!
     
  20. martha1014

    martha1014 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    I have a history of ulcer and was already taking Prolosec daily. I never got indigestion. Since starting to vape I get indigestion almost daily. The only way to stop it is Maalox. I keep several bottles around the house and take it off and on throughout the day.

    I really don't know why vaping causes the indigestion but I just keep vaping and drinking Maalox. To me its just a side effect I am willing to accept.
     
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