FYI for anyone in Tempe or Phoenix AZ area.
Tempe approves ban on smoking in cars with kids - FOX 10 News | fox10phoenix.com
Tempe approves ban on smoking in cars with kids - FOX 10 News | fox10phoenix.com
No smoking or E-cigs in cars with children in Tempe, AZ
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I would love to see the justification for this law.
"We have no proof it is unhealthy, we have no studies showing second hand vapor is dangerous, we have no actual reason for banning it....All in favor....."
Our legal system is obviously flawed but it seems to be falling apart. What happened to requiring research, facts and discussions and debates in order to formulate laws?
"We have no proof it is unhealthy, we have no studies showing second hand vapor is dangerous, we have no actual reason for banning it....All in favor....."
Our legal system is obviously flawed but it seems to be falling apart. What happened to requiring research, facts and discussions and debates in order to formulate laws?
I guess if you want to vape while driving you'll have to eject the kids. "OK guys, everybody out. I'll stop at the hardware store and meet you there. Just be careful walking along the road." I presume they would arrest you for that too..
We also have no proof it is safe either.
The lawmakers could easily say the same thing about the research as to why they feel it isn't allowable
I agree it goes both ways but feel that proper research should be done prior to legislature. If the answer is we don't know, the question should be what could we do to find out. You could ban any product based on what we don't know but there is no reason to operate as a chicken little society.
Just so you know, I'm not officially arguing just playing devils advocate.
At the same time would you want your child exposed to an unknown like this. ,IF you didn't know what vaping is AND given what we know about second hand smoke?.
I have been a smoker since the day I was born, by that I mean I grew up in a house full of smokers smoking indoors in a closed up house.
Looking back I am sure the nicotine withdrawal was the case of many of my school based problems, restless, unable to concentrate, moody.
They can only go by what has come before, it is not smoking, but there is a cloud of nicotine hanging in the air.
Yet many toxins are allowed in the foods that we eat and especially the foods that kids want to eat. I get this, what I don't get is why not also go for what's really affecting kids, instead of just this one thing when we have much more with actual proof and nothing is done.
It comes down to the same reason for all the new/attempted gun control laws...they are all reactionary feel good laws...and most don't know a damn thing about what they are making laws to ineffectively regulate which a lot of times are unenforceable
Good luck telling the cop that...he will just read you the law (city code) verbatim or word it to fit the situation and you will have to go to court and waste your time and money just because people don't do the proper research and listen to botched tests
Its all going to come to them saying that the crap in our foods are within the FDA requirements and thus our argument holds no water...bull.... but it's how it's going to play out
It was just a matter of time.
@Thrasher it's not smoking, the nicotine in "second hand" vapor is negligible if even detectable, the nicotine in e-cigs is different than the nicotine in combustible tobacco, nicotine was never the health issue with SHS, etc.
While it is true that we do not know, definitively that there are NO harms associated with vaping, we do have a mountain of evidence showing just how little possible effects there are. Everything they have thought of to test for so far shows such small levels as to be of no concern, and that goes from research on both sides of the debate. Arguably you expose children to more harmful air if you drive with your windows down on the highway than you would with your windows up while vaping.
@Thrasher it's not smoking, the nicotine in "second hand" vapor is negligible if even detectable, the nicotine in e-cigs is different than the nicotine in combustible tobacco, nicotine was never the health issue with SHS, etc.
While it is true that we do not know, definitively that there are NO harms associated with vaping, we do have a mountain of evidence showing just how little possible effects there are. Everything they have thought of to test for so far shows such small levels as to be of no concern, and that goes from research on both sides of the debate. Arguably you expose children to more harmful air if you drive with your windows down on the highway than you would with your windows up while vaping.
Go driving while drinking a beer, then tell me again how that private property theory is working for you
So to that my reply would be, how many vapors actually showed up and challenged the bill with evidence instead of complaining about it on a forum?
I agree with you on that, and I have no idea if there was any organized opposition. The next time someone says "I agree with indoor vaping bans" though, I will point them to this.
While that is a valid point it's different because smoking and vaping will not cause your motor functions to become impaired making you a danger to the public weather they are outside, in a car or in a building the way alcahol will
Demonize the vape, don't do it round the kids, demonized the vape, then we can tax,tax,tax, and maybe we will get lucky, and maybe all the little kiddies can grow up to think it is bad, bad, bad and the schools can teach that it's bad , bad,bad, and soon the vapers they will hang their heads and pay their tax, tax,tax.
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