FDA Ohio - Brown and 7 Other Senators Press FDA to Take Action

[stevegmu]

They are urging the FDA to get the deeming regulations in place.

Those deeming regulations extend far beyond what you think they do.
And most defintely WAY beyond just testing and manufacturing standards.

Who doesn't want the regulations to finally be posted? I'm tired of the what if threads and should I buy 6 55 gallon drums of nicotine threads and should I buy cotton and kanthal because they will be banned threads. Every month there is a new panic with nothing happening. The industry can't move forward if they don't know what the playing field will be. All of this is delaying ProVape from making a cigalike and tiny tanks...

 

[DC2]

Every month there is a new panic with nothing happening...

The subject of this thread is the letter sent by the same old crew.
Your post above directly conflicts with the stated intent and purpose of that letter.

 

[stevegmu]

The subject of this thread is the letter sent by the same old crew.
Your post above directly conflicts with the stated intent an purpose of that letter.

The purpose of the letter is to urge the FDA and Administration to do something because it has been over a year since the 'deeming' began. And to include product standards. Who is against product standards?

 

[Katya]

I think we are right behind California

Yeah, we're the true leaders...

And Boxer is on everybody's crap list.

 

[Katya]

They want testing and manufacturing standards. I don't see a problem with that...

You can have testing and standards, but that will take probably take years.

Who doesn't want the regulations to finally be posted? I'm tired of the what if threads and should I buy 6 55 gallon drums of nicotine threads and should I buy cotton and kanthal because they will be banned threads. Every month there is a new panic with nothing happening. The industry can't move forward if they don't know what the playing field will be. All of this is delaying ProVape from making a cigalike and tiny tanks...

Because they are doing testing and establishing industry standards?

 

[stevegmu]

You can have testing and standards, but that will take probably take years.



Because they are doing testing and establishing industry standards?

I think there should be an ISO standard for e-liquids. Not everyone should be forced have to have theirs certified, but it would be a standard which the professional e-liquid manufacturers would use and make it a lot easier to choose different vendors. One of the darlings on here recently released their numbers, which conflict with what they have been saying on their site since the beginning and it isn't 5P...

They are waiting for the 'deeming...' How can anyone go forward in the industry is one doesn't know the rules?

 

[Katya]

They are waiting for the 'deeming...' How can anyone go forward in the industry is one doesn't know the rules?

Don't know.

They've done fine for 7 years without any regulations. They can wait a bit longer, can't they? Another 7 years?

 

[stevegmu]

Don't know.

They've done fine for 7 years without any regulations. They can wait a bit longer, can't they? Another 7 years?

The longer the FDA waits, the more the states will act.
It's hard to invest a lot of money in something if one doesn't know if that will be a waste. What if somehow the FDA says 20 watts is it? Where does that leave everyone else? I know ProVape won't be able to make ProVari fast enough, though...

 

[Katya]

It's hard to invest a lot of money in something if one doesn't know if that will be a waste. What if somehow the FDA says 20 watts is it? Where does that leave everyone else? I know ProVape won't be able to make ProVari fast enough, though...

I get that, but nothing will change overnight. Those things take time.

 

[Katya]

The longer the FDA waits, the more the states will act.

This is a different argument and a valid one. Believe me, I know--I live in California. But it is off topic--on this thread, at least.

 

[hurricanegirl100]

I wrote Mr. Brown a rather long email.

I did, too. Got an automated email back the next day, thanking me for contacting his office, and that was about it.

It's fine...I'll remember this next time you run for re-election, Sherrod..

 

[roxynoodle]

I did, too. Got an automated email back the next day, thanking me for contacting his office, and that was about it.

It's fine...I'll remember this next time you run for re-election, Sherrod..

I never voted for him the first time.

 

[hurricanegirl100]

I never voted for him the first time.

It was him or a damn Republican, Roxy....'nuff said...

 

[roxynoodle]

It was him or a damn Republican, Roxy....'nuff said...

I'm a damn Republican

 

[stevegmu]

I can't vote anymore. Turns out in Ohio jury duty is tied to voter registration. I have been selected every year to go through the terrible process of calling every night to see if I have to wake up early so I can go to the courthouse and get out of jury duty, so when my voter registration renewal came I threw it away...

 

[roxynoodle]

I have a permanent get out of jury duty for medical reasons on file. Not that I'm unwilling to do my duty as a citizen, but I would be seriously ruining the proceedings by being in the restroom half the day I decided everyone else was better off without my participation.

 

[DC2]

For the record, I would love to serve on a jury someday.
But it would have to wait until I retire.

It's really just a pipe dream anyway.
They never pick me, they just waste my entire day and then tell me to go home.

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

For the record, I would love to serve on a jury someday.
But it would have to wait until I retire.

It's really just a pipe dream anyway.
They never pick me, they just waste my entire day and then tell me to go home.

Same thing here, they seem to have something against opinionated business owners.

 

[KattMamma]

Jury duty, not so bad... even interesting sometimes.

Jury selection process sucks... badly.

And for anyone who doesn't know about Jury Nullification, please read up on it before you end up on a jury. We all know too well that the politicians aren't serving us, they are serving themselves and passing bad laws. Jury Nullification is an extremely important tool (the last line of defense) against bad laws.

This may become necessary to fight these bad vaping laws.

 

[Racehorse]

Those deeming regulations extend far beyond what you think they do.

I really don't understand why you work so hard to downplay everything.

The deeming regs are proposed, not necessarily what we will end up with.

I think Steve, like me, feels that over-reacting is a form of fear-mongering.

It is interesting that, when we talk about other aspects of vaping, like flavorings or mod safety, you will get accused of fear mongering (with very negative connotations) but if you fear monger about regulations, it's "okay".

I think some people, like Steve are just not into creating added anxiety to life about stuff that may or may not even happen, that's all.

Not sticking up for either of you, just saying that some people are very *reactive* and some people aren't. (One of my brothers is very reactive and he is pretty stressed out all the time. and many of the scenarios he worries about never come to pass.

It's good to be aware. It's good to keep abreast of things that affect you and to take proper political, social action where you can. But living in a constant state of fear and stress is not good. Not to mention the anger that it generates inside of you.

I believe in harm reduction......but not just with vaping!!! The spiritual, emotional, physiological and psychological apsects of life as well. Everyone has control over their thoughts. Talk to any doctor or psychologist and the mind-body connection is very important aspect of HEALTH.