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People are too easily manipulated, even in this community.

Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by FictitiousFreedom, Jul 4, 2014.

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  1. FictitiousFreedom

    FictitiousFreedom Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 3, 2014
    I'm not trying to be negative in any way, I've just noticed something happening within this community that bothers me, now its obviously inevitable but I'm wondering how people feel about this.

    I've noticed that if reviewers, mainly rip, reviews a product, it is instantly sold out and everyone can't wait to get one. Now, in every other aspect of life the majority of people don't think for themselves, in a society so grossly infested with propaganda, marketing, and indoctrination, as a citizen and consumer its nearly impossible to escape it. The thing that bothers me is that I don't want the vapeing industry and community to become how everything else is. with that world of industry comes ....tier products, higher prices, tax, regulation and bull.....

    So, I know I'm over reacting and the fact that a few reviewers set the bar, and decide which companies make it or not based on a small royalty, isnt going to ruin our community but it still personally bothers me that people do this. I'm not blaming these reviewers whatsoever, I would do the same thing just for the free gear, I'm blaming us, the consumer for not deciding for ourselves what we like. The next few years are super important for the vaping community and if we can't even choose what products we should buy how are we gonna fight regulations and taxation? In America we have forgotten how to fight for our freedoms and its going to be our downfall, I atleast want to vape freely lol

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  2. Asbestos4004

    Asbestos4004 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 11, 2013
    thats silly. The stuff is generally sold out before the review ever gets uploaded. Give us a little more credit. Most of us are free thinkers and we buy what we want. I can assure you, RIP Tripper has NEVER convinced me to buy anything. I take advice from friends and other members of the vaping community...if there's something I'm interested in, I'll watch a review or two.
  3. serenity21899

    serenity21899 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jan 18, 2013
    Antioch IL
    Many of us can think for ourselves. I take everyone's suggestions, including reviewers, and do my own research. Then I decide if I want something or not. I take more stock in the opinions of people I know in real life, or people who I know online well.

    Those same reviewers are making an effort to spread awareness of the FDA stuff through their videos. If someone is going to buy an RBA based on what RipTrippers or SuckMyMod says, wouldn't they also take action with CAASA or other organizations when they are told to by the same people?
  4. antony73

    antony73 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 19, 2014
    I'm not sure about that. Kanger products and the Aspire Nautilus have gotten great reviews, but with trying those products, the reviews are now mixed. But at the outset, it may be advantageous to give an ear to some reviewers who are passionate about vaping themselves, because from much experience they know, broadly speaking, what works well and what doesn't.
  5. JMarca

    JMarca E-Cig Afficionado Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 19, 2013
    New York
    The reviewers aren't to blame the mod makers in a way are.

    These devices are NOT mass produced like a Provari or an Innokin VTR. These devices are sold at very high prices, mass producing them brings DOWN the cost which is bad for the mod maker. They already know they can't win in the mass market and compete with the big boys so hey go for the collector's market and make things that are "rare".
  6. Asbestos4004

    Asbestos4004 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 11, 2013
    Just another conspiracy theory....oh boy!
  7. SupplyDaddy

    SupplyDaddy Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Oct 21, 2012
    San Antonio, Texas
    Never watch reviews until I have something that they are reviewing...
  8. Dissonance

    Dissonance Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 30, 2013
    Dayton, OH, USA
    A lot of reviewers get requests on things to review... Meaning there's already interest out there in a product that someone wants an opinion on. They ask people that are more seasoned than themselves for their opinion... I don't see the flaw in this.
  9. Asbestos4004

    Asbestos4004 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 11, 2013
    The op should take it upon himself to either buy products that have never been reviewed....or, only buy products that have received negative reviews. Obviously. these products are made by companies that RIP and the boys decided will not make it...probably for personal reasons. Nevertheless, I'm sure they are outstanding products built and sold by jerks.
  10. FictitiousFreedom

    FictitiousFreedom Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 3, 2014
    I'm glad to hear opinions on this topic. It was just something I was thinking about because rip just put up a review on the Manhattan and people are already rushing to buy them up, even though they've been out for a good while now. Like I said I don't blame the reviewers at all. It's a good move on the modders behalf to send them products. I just hate the way people are today and don't want to see this community go down the tubes. I don't want it to become like everything else, as long as it stays small and within the hands of the people who love it the community will continue to advance and thrive but as soon as larger corporations notice there is a profit to be made it will ruin everything.

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  11. Skeebo

    Skeebo Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    The only video I ever watched was Rip Trippers video on "Steeping, Breathing, and Streathing". The dude makes me nervous, disappearing and coming out of no where in his videos. I sit there thinking like, "Dude, where did he go?" It's like some kind of supernatural, Blair Witchcraft stuff this guy is pulling right before my eyes. I don't like talking about this stuff publicly cuz I knows he's watching us.
  12. Bontasia

    Bontasia Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 22, 2014
    I think you are for sure overreacting.

    PBursardo is one of the most popular Youtube vapers and he said he wouldn't buy a MVP2 yet I know many, many, many people on here have them. Including myself. As with anything, you have to take opinion as just that, opinion.

    I do see what you're saying...I call it the Oprah effect. Back in the day if she said a $50 bag of dirt was one of her Favorite Things, the Bag of Dirt people would be rich. I don't think we're there yet though =)
  13. crxess

    crxess Grumpy Ole Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 20, 2012
    Williamsport Md
    I look for reviews of things I'm interested in. Normally they will not sway my choice, just prepare me for any needed tweaking.
  14. wonkeypickle

    wonkeypickle Super Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 29, 2013
  15. catilley1092

    catilley1092 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 3, 2013
    Greensboro, NC, USA
    I feel that the ECF community is more informed than that of others, such as tech forums, On those type of forums, if a certain site reviews a SSD or video card (GPU) that's not quite established, members will bite & fast. Newegg will sell out fast during promos.

    Here, I don't see it that way, I see more members asking questions before diving.

    Though you're certainly entitled to your opinion & will never deny you that right, I believe you're overreacting. We're not the only outlet that sees these reviews either. The man in the middle scoops up as many as possible to carry to B&M vape shops.

  16. Fuzzy Bruce

    Fuzzy Bruce Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 21, 2014
    Fort Liquordale, Fl.
    Having sat through many hours of video reviews just to get an idea of what is out there, I tend to do searches on the product reviewed. Not just through the links provided, but bing/google of everything available.

    More times than not, the reviewed item is sold out/not available at more than just the linked site. Not sure this is a coincidence.
  17. Giraut

    Giraut Moved On

    Dec 6, 2013
    Funny, whenever RIP Tripper talks about any product, I instantly don't want to buy it at all, for fear of turning into a massive idiot if I use it. There's a hole in your logic :)
  18. Lurch

    Lurch Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 13, 2014
    Central Florida
    Afraid I have to agree with the majority on this. If I watch a video review, it is because I have read about something here on ECF and want to see what the product looks like. I don't pay that much attention to the review, but use it as a method to see the components and how they fit together. I don't think I have ever made a purchase based on what a reviewer said was good points or bad points. We are individuals, and like juices, I might like something you think is worthless....
  19. Ken_A

    Ken_A Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jan 13, 2013
    I think there is a correlation between reviews and selling.
    Not necessarily the ECF community, but the VAPING community. There are many people who will only buy due to a good review from their favorite reviewer.
    Here within ECF, there are many opinions and lots of advice that allows people who come here to "mature" into a new-found hobby. However, in the "community at large", there are people who ONLY get advice from YouTube.

    It's the advantage of following forums. People who join and follow forums tend to be better informed and will know available items more quickly. This is not just with vaping, but with any well-liked activity.
    I've seen the same thing in crafts and even 3D printers.
  20. JMM57

    JMM57 Senior Member

    Jun 2, 2014
    But there's the rub .. profit. Everyone is in business to make money and growth is essential for longevity. Refinement and/or innovation doesn't happen unless you have the money to continue. Of course you could make 25 units and charge uber prices, otherwise the masses are needed and so are reviewers.
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