I miss when there used to be a monthly live chat to keep people up to date on what was going on with CASAA. People would log in and the top people of CASAA would speak and we would get to listen and ask questions in the small window.
For those of who have sworn to go to their grave never using Facebook...
I guess we just have to live with the consequences of that decision...
So far, I'm doing quite well.
I guess we just have to live with the consequences of that decision...
So far, I'm doing quite well.
Casaa advocacy = mundane, lethargic and ineffective. Has been for a while.
I wouldn't worry about it. Shrug.
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From what people posted I think I got a few more signatures from debating with them on their posts. I do know that we had a few good bumps right after it.
I'm on facebook, though I don't spend much time there, and I don't go on daily. I'm a member of the CASAA group, but they hardly ever post there either, it's mostly members posting stuff, and it's near impossible to have any kind of discussion there.
I know the frustration....believe me
I know you do and I thank you for your reply.
I don't fault them for anything. It's their show and they can run it any way they find most effective. The times have changed since I found ECF in 2009; back then it was the best (if not the only) place for vapers to gather and learn from each other and engage in pro-vaping advocacy. With the growing popularity of vaping and the explosion of social media, vapers can find information from many other sources. I get that. But why CASAA can't find a point person for each e-cig forum and at least repost their CTAs from FB (there are not that many) on their own subforum is beyond me.
More difficult perhaps, but not impossible. I just saw a global contest thread (just ended) that somehow got created with links to vaping.com. Even the winners of the contest were announced on vaping.com. SJ posted maybe 6 times on ECF this year. I get ECF newsletter that sends me to vaping.com.
Interesting articles, BTW, but why aren't they posted here also? It's still his forum, isn't it? He used to post here all the time--about vaping, advocacy, political activism. What happened? Has he also abandoned this forum?I have nothing against contests, I even won some nice prizes in the past, but why are we abandoning advocacy? Especially now!
Again, the last CTA we just discussed, http://august8th.org/ , was not local.
Sometimes grumpy is good
Right.
Carry on. I'm off to join FB. Or not.
60,413 supporters
I think it is too coincidental the number goes up a few minutes after I post a link to the petition.
I think it is too coincidental the number goes up a few minutes after I post a link to the petition.
60,416
That actually surprised me but makes sense. Depressing.
I don't "do" FB and was so relieved when Lessifer sacrificed himself to keep us informed on what was going on.
Not to mention you others that keep us posted.
Funny how they don't like people that push back. Didn't they get their start here by pushing back?
Robin, I love you dearly and wish I could ask you to stop pushing back but I don't really want you to. They've dug the pit they are in and I sincerely hope they come back around.
Me too! Thanks Les. I'm never joining it and I've paid the price in other areas of interest. I will not bow under.
Don't do it! (Join FB.)
I too miss Oliver being on here. However, it must be a PITA trying to keep ECF going these days. As far as I can tell he's been true to his mission and does all he can to advocate for vaping. I wouldn't be where I am today without him. I don't care for all the blatant. flashing ads but if it keeps us online, okay. If they switch to FB, guess I'll be on my own.
That actually surprised me but makes sense. Depressing.
60,411 still
If FB ends up being necessary to stay in the loop then count me out. I have an account there but honestly most of the time I just forget it's there. I don't gossip in real life so I certainly can't see myself gossiping there and it seems to me like that is what it mostly is.
Sometimes grumpy is good
I don't "do" FB and was so relieved when Lessifer sacrificed himself to keep us informed on what was going on.
Not to mention you others that keep us posted. Funny how they don't like people that push back. Didn't they get their start here by pushing back?
Hi all.
I know the frustration....believe me
I think that CASAA went the Facebook route to reach more people. I can't fault them for that. We on ECF are a small group, relatively speaking. Sure, we feel a bit abandoned. It is hard to keep a presence in both arenas.
As to the Global Announcement and CTA's...I think when we switched over to the new system, the Global announcements were more difficult to create. After we no longer had that capability, I no longer got the Calls To Action.
As far as sending out emails for CTA's, that is totally on CASAA's shoulders. They are posting them on the FB pages. I think if it doesn't directly affect the area that you live in, you won't receive the email. I haven't had any emails from them either.
Robin, I love you dearly and wish I could ask you to stop pushing back but I don't really want you to. They've dug the pit they are in and I sincerely hope they come back around.
For those of who have sworn to go to their grave never using Facebook...
I guess we just have to live with the consequences of that decision...
So far, I'm doing quite well.
Me too! Thanks Les.
I'm never joining it and I've paid the price in other areas of interest. I will not bow under.I know you do and I thank you for your reply.
I don't fault them for anything. It's their show and they can run it any way they find most effective. The times have changed since I found ECF in 2009; back then it was the best (if not the only) place for vapers to gather and learn from each other and engage in pro-vaping advocacy. With the growing popularity of vaping and the explosion of social media, vapers can find information from many other sources. I get that. But why CASAA can't find a point person for each e-cig forum and at least repost their CTAs from FB (there are not that many) on their own subforum is beyond me.
More difficult perhaps, but not impossible. I just saw a global contest thread (just ended) that somehow got created with links to vaping.com. Even the winners of the contest were announced on vaping.com. SJ posted maybe 6 times on ECF this year. I get ECF newsletter that sends me to vaping.com.
I have nothing against contests, I even won some nice prizes in the past, but why are we abandoning advocacy? Especially now!
Again, the last CTA we just discussed, http://august8th.org/ , was not local.
Right.
Carry on. I'm off to join FB. Or not.
Don't do it! (Join FB.)
I too miss Oliver being on here. However, it must be a PITA trying to keep ECF going these days. As far as I can tell he's been true to his mission and does all he can to advocate for vaping. I wouldn't be where I am today without him. I don't care for all the blatant. flashing ads but if it keeps us online, okay. If they switch to FB, guess I'll be on my own.
Please elaborate. I was thinking about using my other email (gmail address I never use--it's just there) and joining as "incognito" as humanly possible (without revealing any pertinent information) just in order to be able to access some sites that might be of interest to me. Still no?
OK. I was grumpy. I wouldn't be vaping today without him and this place, either.
If they switch to FB, guess I'll be on my own.
You'll have me and DC2!
We could start our own website. 
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Yeah, I've been slacking on my FB duties... sorry about that. I had to stop going to the We Are CASAA group for awhile because every time I was there I would see posts that would make me furious. I can only take so much small mindedness and mob mentality.60,416
That actually surprised me but makes sense. Depressing.
I don't "do" FB and was so relieved when Lessifer sacrificed himself to keep us informed on what was going on.
Funny how they don't like people that push back. Didn't they get their start here by pushing back?
Robin, I love you dearly and wish I could ask you to stop pushing back but I don't really want you to. They've dug the pit they are in and I sincerely hope they come back around.
Me too! Thanks Les.
Don't do it! (Join FB.)
I too miss Oliver being on here. However, it must be a PITA trying to keep ECF going these days. As far as I can tell he's been true to his mission and does all he can to advocate for vaping. I wouldn't be where I am today without him. I don't care for all the blatant. flashing ads but if it keeps us online, okay. If they switch to FB, guess I'll be on my own.
Okay you two, stop keeping me up past my bedtime. 
I can't tell anyone else what to do. I just won't do it myself. Really, I won't join FB for my own reasons. If you do, more power to you! (You sure as heck better report back to us what you see.)
Start our own website!
Not if I'd I have to be a mod. They do a bang-up job and I don't envy them. Don't always agree with them but they do the best they can under the circumstances.
Yeah, Oliver/ECF.
I don't blame you in the least. Glad I'm spared the bulk of it. It's depressing enough without having to hear the trivial BS going on.
I go here Animal Adventure Park Giraffe Cam - YouTube to chill out. Not sure she's ever going to give birth to that stubborn calf but it has kept my mind off of things for since my father took up gymnastics.
Please elaborate. I was thinking about using my other email (gmail address I never use--it's just there) and joining as "incognito" as humanly possible (without revealing any pertinent information) just in order to be able to access some sites that might be of interest to me. Still no?
OK. I was grumpy. I wouldn't be vaping today without him and this place, either.
You'll have me and DC2!
I can't tell anyone else what to do. I just won't do it myself. Really, I won't join FB for my own reasons. If you do, more power to you! (You sure as heck better report back to us what you see.)
Start our own website!
Not if I'd I have to be a mod. They do a bang-up job and I don't envy them. Don't always agree with them but they do the best they can under the circumstances.Yeah, Oliver/ECF.
I don't blame you in the least. Glad I'm spared the bulk of it. It's depressing enough without having to hear the trivial BS going on.
I go here Animal Adventure Park Giraffe Cam - YouTube to chill out. Not sure she's ever going to give birth to that stubborn calf but it has kept my mind off of things for since my father took up gymnastics.
I go here Animal Adventure Park Giraffe Cam - YouTube to chill out. Not sure she's ever going to give birth to that stubborn calf but it has kept my mind off of things for since my father took up gymnastics.
I do, too.
Worse than watching paint dry... Go to bed. It's past my bedtime, too. Sweet dreams, Toots!
One more thing--I go straight to the source:
Watch Live: April the giraffe is expecting a calf | KGW.com
Did you know that YouTube suspended the live feed for a while due to nudity and sexual content? I kid you not.
Watch Live: April the giraffe is expecting a calf | KGW.com
Did you know that YouTube suspended the live feed for a while due to nudity and sexual content? I kid you not.
I do, too.
Go to bed. It's past my bedtime, too. Sweet dreams, Toots!
Thank you, you too! It has to come out sometime, right?
She's sleeping at he moment, poor thing.
One more thing--I go straight to the source:
Watch Live: April the giraffe is expecting a calf | KGW.com
Did you know that YouTube suspended the live feed for a while due to nudity and sexual content? I kid you not.
I did. The only words I have for that can't be spoken here.
Then there was the incident of a zoo killing a healthy one for the entertainment of that zoo's patrons.
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