I´ve been reading through this topic:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...does-your-local-vapor-store-charge-juice.html
It somewhat matches my experience, "normal" prices around $5 for 10ml.
Of course there are extreme variations of this, like chinese liquids for 99 cents or (supposedly) high quality stuff for like $20, buying online is always cheaper than a local store, but no matter where you look, absolutely nothing comes remotely close to DIY.
I don´t even have to figure the resellers prices for the ingredients, if only I go by the small amounts a private end customer like me uses and add up the prices I pay for everything, I get to ridiculous low values for 10ml.
Depending on nicotine content and type of flavouring it costs me between 10 and 30 cents to mix 10ml.
Even if I take the most expensive flavourings, mix nicotine with 18mg/ml and add the price of empty bottles, I still remain below 50 cents for 10ml.
Now I don´t want to argue why the shops have to charge 10 times the price, labor, tax and storage doesn´t pay itself, so even though they must be paying much lower reseller prices, the end price may very well be justified, but I wonder why are shops still able to sell anything at these huge differences?
Of course the law requires much better hygienic conditions for shops who want to mix liquids themselves, like a super clean laboratory, but if shops have to charge these high prices to cover their expenses, that doesn´t neccessary mean users are forced to pay those prices, to my mind it should mean shops can´t even offer liquids because their expenses and subsequent selling prices exceed the users will on spending.
Personally I started vaping because smoking had become just too expensive.
If I would pay the shops prices for ready made liquids I wouldn´t save anything, just the opposite, in addition with the hardware it would cost more than smoking.
For me it was logic, as soon as I discovered these differences I invested a few hours reading, learned how to make my own liquids and from there on I haven´t used any ready made stuff.
The initial investment for some tools like a scale, measuring cups, some syringes and empty bottles paid out within the first 100ml and ever since that I´m saving about 95% of the costs.
(That was less than 3 weeks after I started vaping.)
If I consider the money I´m saving this way, the time it takes me to make the liquids is better paid than the same time in my job and compared to ordering ready made stuff from all kind of different brands just to find the best taste, I find it more fun to develop my skills and mix better and better flavours myself.
Of course, once in a while I mix a mess and have to trash a few ml, but the loss from that remains in a range of cents.
Are there really so many newbies around who don´t know how to do (or don´t dare doing) this, or are most vapers careless with their money, thinking saving health is enough, saving money would be exaggerated?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...does-your-local-vapor-store-charge-juice.html
It somewhat matches my experience, "normal" prices around $5 for 10ml.
Of course there are extreme variations of this, like chinese liquids for 99 cents or (supposedly) high quality stuff for like $20, buying online is always cheaper than a local store, but no matter where you look, absolutely nothing comes remotely close to DIY.
I don´t even have to figure the resellers prices for the ingredients, if only I go by the small amounts a private end customer like me uses and add up the prices I pay for everything, I get to ridiculous low values for 10ml.
Depending on nicotine content and type of flavouring it costs me between 10 and 30 cents to mix 10ml.
Even if I take the most expensive flavourings, mix nicotine with 18mg/ml and add the price of empty bottles, I still remain below 50 cents for 10ml.
Now I don´t want to argue why the shops have to charge 10 times the price, labor, tax and storage doesn´t pay itself, so even though they must be paying much lower reseller prices, the end price may very well be justified, but I wonder why are shops still able to sell anything at these huge differences?
Of course the law requires much better hygienic conditions for shops who want to mix liquids themselves, like a super clean laboratory, but if shops have to charge these high prices to cover their expenses, that doesn´t neccessary mean users are forced to pay those prices, to my mind it should mean shops can´t even offer liquids because their expenses and subsequent selling prices exceed the users will on spending.
Personally I started vaping because smoking had become just too expensive.
If I would pay the shops prices for ready made liquids I wouldn´t save anything, just the opposite, in addition with the hardware it would cost more than smoking.
For me it was logic, as soon as I discovered these differences I invested a few hours reading, learned how to make my own liquids and from there on I haven´t used any ready made stuff.
The initial investment for some tools like a scale, measuring cups, some syringes and empty bottles paid out within the first 100ml and ever since that I´m saving about 95% of the costs.
(That was less than 3 weeks after I started vaping.)
If I consider the money I´m saving this way, the time it takes me to make the liquids is better paid than the same time in my job and compared to ordering ready made stuff from all kind of different brands just to find the best taste, I find it more fun to develop my skills and mix better and better flavours myself.
Of course, once in a while I mix a mess and have to trash a few ml, but the loss from that remains in a range of cents.
Are there really so many newbies around who don´t know how to do (or don´t dare doing) this, or are most vapers careless with their money, thinking saving health is enough, saving money would be exaggerated?
