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Discussion in 'Legal Issues with Ecigarette Use' started by Petrodus, Dec 26, 2010.

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  1. Petrodus

    Petrodus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    About 5.4 million deaths a year are caused by tobacco smoke. Estimates predict that it will kill 6.5 million people in 2015 and 8.3 million in 2030, with biggest rise in low and middle – income countries. According to the World Health Organization (WHO) a current or former smoker dies every 6.5 seconds. An estimated 1.3 billion people are smokers worldwide. Over 443,000 Americans (over 18 percent of deaths) die because of smoking each year. 50,000 of them are secondhand smokers. Between 33 and 50 percent of all smokers will die an average of 15 years sooner than nonsmokers.

    Source: Click Here

    Number of deaths from using E-cigarettes: Zero
    For the benefit of the hard of hearing: ZERO !!!

    The opposition is 100% aware of these statistics,
    yet cautions smokers from trying E-cigarettes because
    they are not convinced E-cigarettes are 100% safe.
    If smokers stop smoking and now use the E-cigarette...
    they remain 2nd class citizens.

    The FDA is 100% aware of the statistics and all the tests
    and studies proving the safety of E-cigarettes. However,
    remains anal about banning E-cigarettes.

    Naturally, there is no major movement to ban tobacco

    I know it's all about money...
    and nothing to do with Truth, Health, or Common Sense

    I found E-cigarettes after smoking 2-3 packs-a-day for 40 years...
    Just to discover…Truth about E-cigarettes is Politically Incorrect
     
  2. kristin

    kristin Accessories Supplier ECF Veteran

    Unfortunately, the zealots no longer care about "saving smokers." They only care about "saving the children" from the "evils of addiction." It doesn't even matter if the addiction is smokeless and has no worse health risks than the caffeinate soda to which they are already addicted.

    For everyone else opposing e-cigarettes, it's all about the money.
     
  3. o4_srt

    o4_srt Super Member ECF Veteran

    just to play devil's advocate, vaping has only been around for a handful of years.

    Cigarette's weren't known to be harmful immediately, it took years to make the connection between tobacco smoke and cancer.

    We're all test subjects here, even though the ingredients are generally safe, there is always the risk that we are exposing ourselves to some unknown toxin that could have health effects down the road. Nobody knows the long term effects of vaping, we are all just making assumptions based on what data we currently have.

    But yes, kristin, it's all about the money, and the children.
     
  4. psl_shawn

    psl_shawn Senior Member ECF Veteran

    The thing that really gets me is this "save the kids" responce that seems to get everyone on their side, in my opinion the number one cause for teenage smoking is having parents that smoke, so commen sence dictates the more adults you get off of analogs the fewer kids who will start smoking. where is the study on this?
     
  5. Petrodus

    Petrodus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Reminds me of what George Carlin once said...
    "Politicians hide behind the flag, God and children"
     
  6. dee5

    dee5 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Smart man, George Carlin.
     
  7. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    "Between 33 and 50 percent of all smokers will die an average of 15 years sooner than nonsmokers."

    Just think between 59 and 67% of smokers won't die an average of 15 years sooner than nonsmokers but will continue to fund the economy with excess tax payments. $3 a pack taxes for a pack a day smoker brings in over a thousand a year to government, far outdistancing any additional medical expenses they may incur. In addition, those that die an average of 15 years sooner have saved the government an average of at least $10k a year in SS payments and 15 years of medical costs as well as the costs of caring for the aged. Looks like a win for society to continually demonize smokers and tobacco/nicotine users while keeping smoking legal.

    No, it's not about the money.
     
  8. mauzey

    mauzey Super Member ECF Veteran

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    I wonder how much money this country(City, County, State, and Federal) would stand to lose by banning cigarettes. It won't happen but it is a good talking point about the lengths that some will go to protect that revenue stream and show their motivation.

    Thanks,
    Jeff~
     
  9. Petrodus

    Petrodus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    I'm getting confused again

    The zealots want to ban E-cigarettes to save the children from the evils of tobacco
    but they are not interested in uniting to campaign to ban tobacco.

    Who's going to save the world from the zealots?
     
  10. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

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    I've heard that one before. But I'm not sure that those who make the accusation have considered all the data:
    • Smokers who switch to low-nitrosamine snus live as long as those who quit all tobacco
    • The only thing e-cigarettes deliver that snus does not is larger amounts of PG or VG
    • PG and VG are not particularly harmful
    • >90% of e-cigarette users report their health has improved since switching

    My choices never included giving up all nicotine, because that makes me sick. So my choices were to continue smoking or switch to a product that supplies adequate amounts of nicotine. For years I denied that smoking was causing any harm to my health. But the handwriting was on the wall that I was on my way to developing COPD. So I switched to e-cigs and the wheezing stopped and the "productive cough" went away. I consider my health improved.

    So if 20 or 30 years from now I drop dead of some unknown mysterious e-cigarette toxin, at least I will have lived to see some of my grandchildren grow up, granduate, get married, and have some babies of their own.
     
  11. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

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    Mark Twain said, "Nothing needs reforming so much as other people's habits."

    There was an excerpt from a new book, The Gift, by James Patterson in the one I just finished reading. This passage sent chills down my spine:

     
  12. JonnyVapΣ

    JonnyVapΣ Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again;
    Keep your damn hands off my children.
     
  13. kristin

    kristin Accessories Supplier ECF Veteran

    I was watching the newer "Horton Hears a Who" with my daughter and there is a scene where Horton is trying to save the Who world from the nanny kangaroo. She starts getting the mob really going by claiming it's "for the children."

    In the end, it was ONE final voice that made the Whos loud enough to hear and convince the jungle animals that they were real.

    Something I keep saying - don't think that you can't make a difference - sometimes all it takes is just one voice.
     
  14. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I think I understand the message here Kristin. The EPA is planning regulation that will require listening for voices from specks on leaves before we collect and burn them...... to protect the children?
     
  15. Exylos

    Exylos Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Think she means inorder to fight the mob, we all could be that one voice on the speck.. But i could be wrong...lmao
     
  16. Petrodus

    Petrodus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Don't be discouraged...thinking your voice
    won't make a difference.
     
  17. kristin

    kristin Accessories Supplier ECF Veteran

    People will use the "save the children" argument to further their own agenda (and get the public mob on their side) and it's up to people with integrity to speak up for what they know is right and don't hold back because you think your one voice can't make a difference.

    Dr. Seuss was a genius.
     
  18. jamie

    jamie Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    It's genetics (nicotine metabolism) and peer group. There are numerous studies on this.
     
  19. Lightgeoduck

    Lightgeoduck Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    FWIW: that article seemed more of an advertisement for this Satisfying Smoke starter kit product and less than an actual news article ..

    With that being said... it did spark up an interesting conversation.. so I moved this thread to where it is closely suited for


    LGD
     
  20. Petrodus

    Petrodus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    The "Commercial" article was not the topic, only source for the statistics
     
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