response from Senator Dianne Feinstein

[Caridwen]

If discussion moves from vaping to political bashing - thread will get closed or moved. Up to you guys.

 

[DC2]

It's just that California has more people who Believe her Lies and BS Campaign Promises than people who Don't.

Go Blue!!!

 

[backitdown]

"I guess California really likes her, but I just wish she was a California State-level official " I'm not sure if they like her are just to damn apathetic and or stupid to volt these career politicians out. California seems to spawn some of the very worst - as in Nancy Pelosi !
“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

I really think there should be civics test to vote------------ Too many uninformed voters !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Caridwen]

Moving.

Keep it on topic and polite.

 

[Jay-dub]

I'll just drop this here: ALEC Exposed

 

[ambientech]

So, the fact that the American middle class is shrinking and that the few with most wealth are also making or buying decisions in ways that give them more wealth isn't a valid argument. Understood.

I agree the middle class is shrinking but it isn't capitalism or the rich that is doing it. It is regulations and taxes on small business. It is much harder to start a business today then it was even 10 years ago. If you want to blame crony capitalism, I would agree it also is a huge problem. That is a problem both political parties are responsible for. But to blame our problems on capitalism is outrageous.

 

[Uma]

Sooo, about that letter. Any word? I say we slam her box with studies.
Drexel
IVAQS
Utah Clearstream air
Nicotine
Full lancet
Etc

I don't know how she got back in office... Something important on the ballot that her "opponent" wanted to ruin. Least of two horrendous evils voting method again. So transparent it's disgusting.

 

[Jay-dub]

I agree the middle class is shrinking but it isn't capitalism or the rich that is doing it. It is regulations and taxes on small business. It is much harder to start a business today then it was even 10 years ago. If you want to blame crony capitalism, I would agree it also is a huge problem. That is a problem both political parties are responsible for. But to blame our problems on capitalism is outrageous.

You're right. All the billions spent on lobbying by those who make vulgar amounts of money from rampant capitalism surely like the idea of small business growing to the point of being a competitor.

 

[ambientech]

You're right. All the billions spent on lobbying by those who make vulgar amounts of money from rampant capitalism surely like the idea of small business growing to the point of being a competitor.

That isn't the fault of capitalism. That is our own fault, we keep sending the same politicians back to Washington. Get term limits and this would be less of a problem. Capitalism has it's faults but every single other model is worse.

 

[ambientech]

Oh, and since you live in a capitalist society, you too have the chance to make vulgar amounts of money. Just because you failed to put forth the effort doesn't make those who did succeed bad people. Envy will eat you up, best put that emotion towards succeeding.

 

[fogging_katrider]

We should all open our eyes and take note of where most of the anti e cig legislation is coming from.
We need to count the votes and make note of who voted which way. Who is for e cigs and who is against e cigs.

So far looking at california...chicago...new york, I'm beginning to see a trend and its coming from the same folks who seem to think we need to be told how we should be "allowed" to live our lives. The same people who would try to stop us from buying a super sized non diet pepsi come to mind. The same kinds of people who would ram a bill through without even reading it and say things like "we need to pass the bill into law so we can see whats in it".

The same folks who have indoctrinated our children using totally bogus junk science to believe in al gore bs like "global warming".
Unfortunately, these indoctrinated idiot children, victims of our poor public education system, present and future voters, will represent the future leadership of our country.




Too two to hear here there they're their your you're...sheesh people...learn the difference!

 

[diggyb]

Oh, and since you live in a capitalist society, you too have the chance to make vulgar amounts of money. Just because you failed to put forth the effort doesn't make those who did succeed bad people. Envy will eat you up, best put that emotion towards succeeding.

One of the biggest fallacies in this country is that everybody has a chance at the "American Dream". It's simply not true. People can and do work themselves into the grave without ever coming close to 'vulgar' amounts of money.

It is true that opportunity is often born from hard work, but it is not a given.

Your post was neither nice, nor fair.

 

[ambientech]

The Soviet Union wasn't really communist... it was right after the revolution, but as soon as Stalin took over it became something like state capitalism. Why Americans have such a biased (and ill-informed) view of communism is beyond me. They likely have never read Marx and simply base their opinion on the Soviets, which is just naïve. The "work to achieve" system assumes everyone is capable of the same level of work and achievements. We're in the era of modern science, where we now know that is not true. Some people are just stronger... some people are just smarter... it's genetics. How can someone achieve as much as their neighbor when they are unable (whether physically or intellectually) to work as much? Is that their fault? Are they doomed to poverty because of their genetic code? The fact of the matter is that we are not born equal. It is our job as a species and a civilization to create a system that balances this.

Being against what communism wishes to achieve (what Karl Marx wrote of) is to lack empathy and to desire to help no one else but yourself... the very definition of a sociopath.

Not sure how I missed this one.

Marx is a mess, his followers aren't even aware that Marxian economists threw in the towel decades ago because of all the self contradictions and mistakes.

It's our job as a species to punish and limit those with higher ability so as to equalize outcomes? Why is it any more 'fair' to punish a superior mind for their genes than it is to 'punish' an inferior mind for theirs?

Who says genetics and determinism lock people into classes anyway?

Marx's ideas have slaughtered more humans than anyone else's on Earth, and his drones tell us opposing them is the sociopathy.

It's interesting how the tallest body piles are always in the nations we're told weren't really socialist or communist. Yet it happens over and over and over again.

 

[wv2win]

Then again, harm reduction is traditionally in the liberal domain.

Not even close. Harm Reduction and "liberal" are as far apart as the moon is to earth. The other side of the aisle isn't jumping up and down in support, but at least they are not standing in opposition.

 

[ambientech]

One of the biggest fallacies in this country is that everybody has a chance at the "American Dream". It's simply not true. People can and do work themselves into the grave without ever coming close to 'vulgar' amounts of money.

It is true that opportunity is often born from hard work, but it is not a given.

Your post was neither nice, nor fair.

Sure everyone has the chance at the american dream. Some have a better chance, like those born into wealth. Also minorities who get grants to go to college, interest free money to start their own business, and tax breaks on business income. If anyone has a less chance it is the poor white man, they get punished for past crimes/ injustices that they never committed. I am not rich but I don't want the opportunity to be taken from my children and grandchildren when it is their chance.

I am sorry you took my post as not nice or fair but the truth tends to be not nice. The liberal utopia doesn't exist and never will.

 

[LDS714]

Divide and conquer is going to win again.

People are so caught up in rooting for their "team" that as so often happens, the common objective gets obscured.

Forget liberal, conservative, left, right, D or R - for one small moment at least.

Keep your eye on the ball.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Sooo, about that letter. Any word? I say we slam her box with studies.
Drexel
IVAQS
Utah Clearstream air
Nicotine
Full lancet
Etc

I don't know how she got back in office... Something important on the ballot that her "opponent" wanted to ruin. Least of two horrendous evils voting method again. So transparent it's disgusting.

I have it written on my computer. I will blog it and PM the OP. I have links to studies in it, too. I will post a link to here as well.

Edit: I am on my phone in bed now, I just can't motivate to go to my computer and do all that just yet.



Tapped out

 

[Amd6547]

I will say, as a gun owner, I feel right at home in the vaping community. The same players desire to ban, tax and regulate out of existence.
I'm right at home.

 

[LDS714]

I will say, as a gun owner, I feel right at home in the vaping community. The same players desire to ban, tax and regulate out of existence.
I'm right at home.

Drip tips fit perfectly in the trays/boxes for .38, 9mm and .380 ammo.

Just sayin'...

 

[SissySpike]

So I should expect to read about partisan politics on a vape site? Posts calling Feinstein a communist do nothing to help our cause. The over the top partisanship will only create a schism in the vaping community. Due to some of the views I've read from members of the CASAA on this site, I would never support the organization. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Then that is 100% why you should get involved. Posting in some silly thread on ECF is not doing any thing for the cause anyway. No different than going to the barber shop and discussing politics.
Making phone calls, signing petitions, Educating non vapers and other proactive actions are whats needed. This is just conversation amongst people who have vaping in common.

I do think the not so good senator is a part of a much larger political issue that is out of control. I doubt very seriously we have much in common other than vaping but I would join you in a protest if needed to try to stop some bogus Vaping regulation If I were with in a days drive from you.

Vapors disagree, argue, bicker, about alot of silly very unimportant things but when it counts we are there for one another. Its a awesome community. If you chose to look down your noise at us you are missing out and selling your self short. Its also a shame because each and every person brings something special and unique to the table.