Safe to vape around baby with NO NICOTINE??? Vaping VS Cigs around baby?????
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Did you follow up with this study? He made mention of a full doctoral, peer reviewed paper in the works. Also, the lab results link doesn't work. Recently had a relative dismiss my insistence such was the case while she carried on about how harmful nicotine is while otherwise is factually true.
Another thing to think about is if you have PG in your juice. PG is a germ killer. It is spread through Hospital vents to help cut down on germs being spread. It might be beneficial to your child to have that in the air, of course not in the face!. I say go for it. But do keep in mind, I don't have a child. 
This topic would be equally relevant without the embedded fear of nicotine.
In fact, I'd worry about everything else in vapor before I'd worry about the nicotine.
But then, I wouldn't worry about everything else in the vapor in the first place.
As Lessifer points out, even second hand smoke isn't THAT big a deal.
And it's MUCH worse than vapor.
You got more to worry about from scented candles, air fresheners, and incense.
In fact, I'd worry about everything else in vapor before I'd worry about the nicotine.
But then, I wouldn't worry about everything else in the vapor in the first place.
As Lessifer points out, even second hand smoke isn't THAT big a deal.
And it's MUCH worse than vapor.
You got more to worry about from scented candles, air fresheners, and incense.
I've had 2 kids allergic to formula.
1 violently reacted to nearly every brand and type.
0 reacted to vapor.
And mom vapes high flavor and I vape high nic at moderate to high wattage.
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1 violently reacted to nearly every brand and type.
0 reacted to vapor.
And mom vapes high flavor and I vape high nic at moderate to high wattage.
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The safest thing is not to vape...maybe.....also, maybe it cures cancer lol. Point being, no one knows. There are no real peer reviewed double blind studies done and the little write up on exhaled contents may make you feel better but there isn't anything out there about the long term effects of vaping around your baby. Id say crack a window, turn on a fan, don't blow clouds right in your baby's face and things will be fine, but that is just an educated guess.
Which is more important?
I don't think there is any hard, definitive proof either way, but it still doesn't matter to me.
I don't think there is any hard, definitive proof either way, but it still doesn't matter to me.
interesting discussion, i think its very noble you dont wish to harm the little one, but i wonder how much harm could be in 0 nicotine vapor...i am sure there is, or will be soon a study on this topic
Like it or not there are no long term studies, we don't know what the long term effects of vaping or second hand vape will be. We just have not been vaping long enough to gather the data. The few small scale studies that have been done so far seem to be positive. Nicotine is only one element of your juice, most will have PG & VG and flavourings. In a few decades time we will have a much better idea of what if anything can cause long term harm.
As an ex smoker I think it is beneficial for me to switch to vaping, because it probably lowers the risk of harm.
However a baby is the very definition of a never smoker / vaper, realistically the risk of harm from second hand vape is probably very low, but you are still increasing the risk. I am struggling to find a good reason why anyone would do that.
As an ex smoker I think it is beneficial for me to switch to vaping, because it probably lowers the risk of harm.
However a baby is the very definition of a never smoker / vaper, realistically the risk of harm from second hand vape is probably very low, but you are still increasing the risk. I am struggling to find a good reason why anyone would do that.
I a would like to agree and disagree with you here. We do have an idea on what it does long term because we have been using things like VG in nebulizers and inhalers since the 1950s. For those of us who use max VG this is very much like delivering medication via a nebulized solution. So we do have long term information just not on vaping in particular. So we could also blame this on varies organizations lobbying. For children with asthma this is used often. However there was and is no concern for it.
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IMHO I myself will not be holding my breath waiting for long term studies.
Due to the lack of any significant observable negative health effects,coupled
with the results of modern toxicology there does not at this time appear to be
any reason to conduct such long term tests.Who would pay for them?
What would they look for? Aside from possible allergic reactions no one has
of yet been hospitalized for any thing related to actually vaping.(battery mishaps
and accidents don't count)
regards
Mike
The use of VG/PG or whatever in a nebulizer to a vape tank is comparing apples to oranges. One is a suspension created by airflow, the nebulizer, and the other by heating with a wire, vapor. Chemicals can and do change with heating so what can be safe in one setting is not in another. I would also not expose any child (or adult for that matter) to vaporized PG, as it is a minor irritant to the respiratory tract. That might not be a big deal for the average person, but it could easily trigger an acute worsening of their asthma.
And again, the long term experience with a substance in a nebulizer is not the same as heated by a vape wire.
My apologies. I didn't specify and made it a blanket statement. Yes that is true and has been used since half way through the 1960s before there were a few methods 2 using heating elements. Early e cigs used the ultrasonic technology but it didn't deliver the nicotine properly. My question then becomes then would ceramic or chip heating technology or ultrasonic technology be a safer route for delivery and more akin to the same medical uses for someone using it or 0 NIC and max VG?
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Nah, it's just we all want to keep stating that vaping is way safer than smoking (which it absolutely is) that we forget there are differences in use that can potentially affect safety. Those types of piezoelectric chips used for small portable medical nebulizers would certainly produce a suspension, but not a true vapor as we think of it from our current vape gear. Would it give the same performance and satisfaction? No idea, but it would certainly be a cool vape. And no way you'd get clouds out of it. I doubt you would be happy with it in place of a vape.
There are those heating devices that can be used with tobacco itself and provide a "non-burning" smoke but then no flavors, adjusting nic concentrations, still no real cloud, and so on. Vaping as a whole is way more satisfying than what came before. There will always be some grey areas around its use until a long term view will tell us just how much safer it really is. The vape industry has also grown at a remarkable rate, so trying to extrapolate safety seen with devices of just few years ago might not be indicative of what happens with current hardware.
In the absence of data, the best you can rely on is good judgement and common sense. And there's no guarantee that will turn out to be correct once the data does become available. All you can do is the best you can.
For my 16 month old son I bought a heavy duty air filter and I never blow it in his direction or near him.
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Funny you would mention it. Joyetech has an e cig air filter for preorder the Avatar VapeNut (I wonder if there wasn't some language issue that would name a product a vape nut)
Avatar VapeNut And it's only $99.99
What a bargain!Funny you would mention it. Joyetech has an e cig air filter for preorder the Avatar VapeNut (I wonder if there wasn't some language issue that would name a product a vape nut)
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Avatar VapeNut And it's only $99.99
It is! Just look at these features:
"Features
1. Specially designed for electronic cigarette users.one-click operation
2. High quality silent fan and circular arc duct design to reduce noise
3. Air turbocharger system, circulating air, healthy and fun
4. High density smoke filter
5. High precise multi-point smoke density detection technology
6. Intelligent mode switching, energy efficient design"
And it's fun! When is the last time you had fun using an air filter?
Mine is just a regular home one but you'd be amazed at all the crap it getsFunny you would mention it. Joyetech has an e cig air filter for preorder the Avatar VapeNut (I wonder if there wasn't some language issue that would name a product a vape nut)
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Avatar VapeNut And it's only $99.99
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ironically...
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you reminded me of this crap.
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