FDA Sen Johnson (R-Wis) demands answers from FDA RE deeming
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And there are some real doubts about that. Johnson has been consistently losing in the polls, so at best it is a very tight race. He is running against Russ Feingold who Johnson beat 6 years ago, but not by much. Feingold was a Senator for 18 years and has a good deal of popularity. He is noted for being the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act (good on him for that one).
I would guess Johnson is going to be pretty busy this fall trying to get re-elected.
Yeah... As I understand it, He is about 5 ~ 8 Points Down depending on what Poll you Read.
It's going to be an Interesting Nov 8th All the Way Around. And the Current Majority in the Senate is Not Guaranteed.
This the reason that the good Senator is working so hard to get the these "answers" or "non-answers" public. By doing so it opens the can o worms for others to use no matter what his personal end game might be or the out come of 11/08.
In other words once the FDA has successfully shown it cannot or is unwilling to show its data it aids legislative and judicial proceedings as evidence of their concerns. Giving more political leverage and triggering a higher level of willingness for judicial oversight of the whole kit and kabootal.
In other words once the FDA has successfully shown it cannot or is unwilling to show its data it aids legislative and judicial proceedings as evidence of their concerns. Giving more political leverage and triggering a higher level of willingness for judicial oversight of the whole kit and kabootal.
You are right about the politics, Johnson is the #2 most vulnerable Senator (behind Kirk) and the majority is likely to flip to Dems.
But I don't think that should influence our support for his eggs in any way. He is demanding answers that we need and all those in WI should appreciate that.
If vapers make their mark on the Senate, just once, we will be taken very seriously ever thereafter.
But I don't think that should influence our support for his eggs in any way. He is demanding answers that we need and all those in WI should appreciate that.
If vapers make their mark on the Senate, just once, we will be taken very seriously ever thereafter.
Eggs? Damn spell check. S/b efforts.
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Senator seeks answers from FDA on e-cigarette regulations
Pretty nice and concise article of where we stand and the different stances from both sides.
Pretty nice and concise article of where we stand and the different stances from both sides.
That is the 3rd letter sent to FDA by Sen. Johnson. Maybe the FDA and finally get probed themselves for once.
Not sure if the Actual FDA reply has been posted? But here it is if it Hasn't...
http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/download/fda-response-to-chairman-johnson
http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/download/fda-response-to-chairman-johnson
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I think I was pretty spot on. FDA Deeming updates - Sen Johnson (R-Wis) demands answers from FDA RE deeming
Mistake imo for Sen. Johnson to refuse the offer of a briefing. Had he accepted the offer and consulted with Casaa or other advocacy groups ( asked them to scrutinize the FDA response and recommend follow-up questions ) in preparation, the FDA may have responded in a manner that would come back to haunt them in the lawsuits. Perhaps he just didn't have the time to adequately prepare for the briefing. This letter writing thing will be dragged out until he is out of office imo.
Hopefully, there is still something in the FDA response that proves helpful in the lawsuits.
Hopefully, there is still something in the FDA response that proves helpful in the lawsuits.
The answers to Sen Johnson's questions seem broad and vague. To sum it up "We (FDA) don't know what this is, but until we do we are going to make it hurt, because we can!". Hopefully Sen Johnson can navigate the bull pies.
I actually thought you had read it and were mocking the FDA response ! There was a link to the FDA response in the original link.
Yes, to the lay person unfamiliar with the details and the history, the FDA response probably seems reasonable on the surface. I am willing to bet the majority of the public would actually think the FDA is standing up to big bad tobacco, and is trying to make sure they don't lie to us again.
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Yeah... I think we All Knew that the FDA would do that Double Speak, Don't Use This in Court Against Us, Vagueness that Federal Agencies are Master's Of.
But I do have to Hand it to you Les. Your Level of Detail was Spot On.
This, to me, is the most disturbing and worrying part of their response:
"Finally, it is important to note that the general effect a product category may have on public health is not necessarily true for all products in that category. Even if ENDS in general are shown to be beneficial, regulation of individual products through the premarket review process will allow FDA to identify problematic products that may raise unique concerns. For example, individual products may raise special concerns about youth initiation, or may contain harmful constituents not found in the majority of ENDS products."
"Finally, it is important to note that the general effect a product category may have on public health is not necessarily true for all products in that category. Even if ENDS in general are shown to be beneficial, regulation of individual products through the premarket review process will allow FDA to identify problematic products that may raise unique concerns. For example, individual products may raise special concerns about youth initiation, or may contain harmful constituents not found in the majority of ENDS products."
This is Disturbing Also...
Don't like the Reiteration that what the FDA has done is Only the "Beginning".
And this Concept that the FDA has to Regulate something before it can Understand it harkins back to a Quote that I will Never forget.
Don't like the Reiteration that what the FDA has done is Only the "Beginning".
And this Concept that the FDA has to Regulate something before it can Understand it harkins back to a Quote that I will Never forget.
Yes, unfortunately the FDA has always considered nicotine a drug ( and is only reluctantly regulating it as tobacco after the Sottera loss ) , and this is how they regulate drugs, precise and exact dosages. Change the dosage, delivery method, or the formula even slightly, you need new clinical studies. No consumer customization in the drug industry.
What this industry needs is its own Orrin Hatch.
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