Some 'nitty gritty'

Discussion in 'Media and General News' started by Orb Skewer, Dec 4, 2013.

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  1. Orb Skewer

    Orb Skewer Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Nicotine is "highly toxic" they say.
    Nicotine is "Highly addictive" they say.

    two phrases quoted often, that impair the hard truths about vaping-to the layman, and are too often 'scandalised' by the 'controversy hungry' press, and used to 'scare-monger' by the 'Health Cartels'.

    3.1.3 Nicotine
    Nicotine has many effects on the
    body6,70,117 (Fig. 3.1): It raises blood
    pressure and heart rate, curbs appetite,
    increases basal metabolic rate and activates
    bowel movements, which may lead
    to diarrhea. In addition, it lowers urine
    production, promotes blood coagulation,
    stimulates breathing, increases pain
    sensitivity and may cause nausea and
    vomiting. In the brain, nicotine promotes
    release of several neurotransmitters causing
    various psychological effects, which
    '''''''may'''''' lead to dependence.

    However, ''''''even more problematic than
    the toxic effects of nicotine'''''', which are
    to be expected primarily due to overdose,
    are its pharmacological effects on
    the brain. The substance binds to nicotine
    receptors in the brain leading to
    release of various messenger substances
    stimulating the reward centre, thereby
    provoking a feeling of well-being7. Over
    time, this can lead to craving for nicotine
    and, ultimately, to nicotine dependence.
    '''''''This dependence consists of a physical
    and a psychological component, making
    cessation particularly hard7.''''''''

    This report is a 'mixed bag'-but with some interesting little nuggets.

    http://www.dkfz.de/en/presse/download/RS-Vol19-E-Cigarettes-EN.pdf
     
  2. AgentAnia

    AgentAnia Vaping Master ECF Veteran

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    Several thoughts as I read this: 1. No wonder the puritanical prohibitionists want to ban nicotine! Heaven forbid anyone should be able to consume anything that makes them feel better! 2. We need to see that the Gland gets some of this. If he feels better, maybe he'll get off our backs... 3. Are there caffeine receptors in the brain? Chocolate receptors? Most important, personally, are there ice cream receptors?
     
  3. Orb Skewer

    Orb Skewer Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Caffeine, I'm glad you brought that up, if you substitute it for the word Nicotine in the report, the neurophysiological part of the report probably would not look any different.
     
  4. Notorious C.I.G.

    Notorious C.I.G. Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Thats the example I bring up when talking to people. People freak out of teens getting ahold of ecigs, but don't bat an eye at kids drinking mt dew, caffeine is an addictive substance that isn't exactly good for you but really not that bad, just like nicotine.
     
  5. Concat

    Concat Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    People think I'm some idiotic radical when I tell them caffeine is just as bad as nicotine.

    The worst part about fear mongering is that it works...
     
  6. Orb Skewer

    Orb Skewer Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    As bad ?, for what, inducing bowel movement ?
     
  7. Concat

    Concat Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Just as harmless, just as harmful... semantics.
     
  8. Orb Skewer

    Orb Skewer Ultra Member ECF Veteran


    I hear ya, and unfortunately, for all of us, most of the fear-mongering has been 'born' in vaping forums, this one is no exception, ****nic, highly toxic, if you open a bottle in a room all of the people in the room will be poisoned, fume cupboards etc etc et F'ing cetera-it's all in here.

    Do a search.
     
  9. Jay-dub

    Jay-dub Moved On

    I forget... is nicotine not addictive? Last I heard it was more addictive than hero...oh I can't say that word here. Anyway, I can only speak for myself in saying I'm addicted to nicotine, and coffee, and maybe sex. Oh, and food and maybe the internet and xbox. That's all. No problems here.
     
  10. Davinna

    Davinna Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I saw that study (can't say I read every word). It was used in a fear-mongering article some health nut on Twitter shared with me.

    It seemed like that study didn't show a lot of the science behind their conclusions.
     
  11. Orb Skewer

    Orb Skewer Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    I would suggest that you do read every word then, there is some rubbish in there, however there are some facts in there also-ones that even pharma, BigT, a shill or an AnTZ would usually hide.
     
  12. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    "The substance binds to nicotine
    receptors in the brain leading to
    release of various messenger substances
    stimulating the reward centre, thereby
    provoking a feeling of well-being7."

    Now why in the world would God have put nicotine receptors in our brains if he didn't want them stimulated? That's like saying the holes in your body weren't put there for a purpose. :p:)
     
  13. Notorious C.I.G.

    Notorious C.I.G. Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Your brain produces a natural supply of nicotine, which is why there are receptors :) Sorta like how the brain makes it's own cannabinoids and has cannabinoid receptors, same with opiates and opiate receptors.
     
  14. Uma

    Uma Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Some people have a chemicals imbalance and need a boost of the chemical to set things right.
    I wonder which foods, vitamins, chemicals, counter nicotine's well being chemicals?
    I wonder if this is why Chantix drives so many people psychotic... It blocks their well being chemicals...
    This has my wheels turning...

    i bet bet this is why burning tobacco, spaghetti simmering, etc, entice some people, and turns off others. Our senses sense the scents that our senses sense we need.
     
  15. Uma

    Uma Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    ; +1-!
    Very valid point!!!!!
    As is the notorious thoughts.
     
  16. Concat

    Concat Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    If you like it, you're a filthy (and likely evil) addict! ;)
     
  17. Uma

    Uma Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    The same holds true for idealologicism, but the ideologists can't seem to get that through their tunnel vision corrupt brains.
     
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