Starting a LIST of diacetyl-free ejuice suppliers. Please, keep to JUST listing the supplier names!

[Mr.Mann]

Based on the preliminary results of Dr.F's flavor study, the diacetyl debate is about to not only continue, but it may get heated. A high percentage of liquids tested were shown to contain these properties and even from vendors that claim to be free of those chemicals. I think we may see some surprises from this study and I wouldn't place any bets on which vendor is "free" of these properties. This is not the worst thing in the world, but statements on websites should at least be verifiable.

[One thing that should be worth noting: unless all the vendors included in this study had all their liquids tested, just because a vendor's liquid wasn't found to have any diacetyl/diacetyl substitute properties, that only means that the specific liquid selected for testing did not. The one problem I see, with the coming results of this study, is that those vendors that are shown to have *not* tested positive for these chemicals may be incorrectly labeled as a "diacetyl-free vendor", when in reality it was just the the specific liquids tested that were shown to be free of said chemicals -- other liquids on their menu may still contain those properties.]

 

[tnash]

Saw the Dr. Oz show the other day. He had a chemist who was warning people about the dangers of the steam coming from most brands of microwave popcorn. Said having two bags a day, which few people would ever have but just used as a measurement, would cause major lung damage. They discovered it from people getting sick in the factories that make the popcorn. Why did this occur? Because of diacetyl. The show had nothing to do with vaping and so it wasn't even mentioned, but was on the dangers of diacetly. Makes one concerned though.
I have not read all 35 pages of this thread so don't know if this info has been mentioned before, but thought I'd add what I accidently discovered.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Saw the Dr. Oz show the other day. He had a chemist who was warning people about the dangers of the steam coming from most brands of microwave popcorn. Said having two bags a day, which few people would ever have but just used as a measurement, would cause major lung damage. They discovered it from people getting sick in the factories that make the popcorn. Why did this occur? Because of diacetyl. The show had nothing to do with vaping and so it wasn't even mentioned, but was on the dangers of diacetly. Makes one concerned though.
I have not read all 35 pages of this thread so don't know if this info has been mentioned before, but thought I'd add what I accidently discovered.

It's okay as some vapers are only directly inhaling diacetyl in some amounts -- the aroma from microwave popcorn is much more indirect, thus more dangerous. [That was a bad attempt at making a joke.]

 

[Sean John]

I live right by one of your stores in Woodstock, GA. Go there alot to buy your products im pressed with all the help i get from the employees, just let me/us know when your juices are diacetyl free please. so i will buy more.

From vaperite...

We are working towards becoming a diacetyl free company, however some of our flavors do contain traces of it. If you do not want juice containing diacetyl I would not purchase juices that are vanilla flavored, mention "Creme or Cream, or nutty. Anything else you will be fine with until we can fully make that transition. Thank .you for reaching out to us..
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Vape On,
Brandy Long and Haley Harrison
Social Media and Community Specialists
VapeRite.com

Sent from my GT-N5110

 

[Mr.Mann]

As much as I hate to be that guy, I think this thread is, unfortunately, no longer valid, unless it's a thread about vendors that "say" the'r liquids are diacetyl free. There's a huge difference from vendors that say "diacetyl free" with liquids that actually are. At this point, it's all up in the air.

 

[Sean John]

Well i figured that. d*** well do you know any good vendors online that can be trusted? Or is there nooo hope until the FDA can do something about it?

 

[Mr.Mann]

Well i figured that. d*** well do you know any good vendors online that can be trusted? Or is there nooo hope until the FDA can do something about it?

I don't know what is what at this point. I will just continue to vape as I have been -- staying away (as much as possible) form custards/buttery flavors. Not to say those are the only flavors that have these elements, but it is the easiest thing for me to avoid -- plus, I don't like those flavors to begin with.

 

[Sean John]

thanks for your input Mann

 

[Mr.Mann]

thanks for your input Mann

Wish I could tell you more, but right now we are left wondering. All I know is that I wouldn't bet on any one vendor being "diacetyl-free" unless they don't sell actual flavored liquid.

 

[aikanae1]

Well i figured that. d*** well do you know any good vendors online that can be trusted? Or is there nooo hope until the FDA can do something about it?

The FDA would rather ban flavors than deal with diacetyl.

 

[eethr]

As much as I hate to be that guy, I think this thread is, unfortunately, no longer valid....

I think it's ten times more valid than no thread about it at all.

It is getting responses from vendors/manufacturers, so they know that more and more vapers are aware and concerned. That will get more results than no mention of it at all on the forum, I think.

Apparently there are problems with testing---it seems that it isn't cheap. That's a major problem for small juice makers, who can't pay for huge numbers of tests all at once. So trying to sort out the honest flavoring manufacturers is probably the best they can to in the immediate future.

But it is being communicated about, and addressed, and that's better than not.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I think it's ten times more valid than no thread about it at all.

But that's just the thing: there have been numerous threads about it! And, this thread is one of the oldest running threads on ECF -- so the conversation has been around for years, but still what we have gotten is just an unverified claim. My point is that it's not about the validity of the topic, but that this thread operates under the premise that what a vendor posts on their site about being "daicetyl free" has merit. If anything, the title of the thread should be "Starting a LIST of vendors that say they have diacety free liquids." I hate nitpicking about a thread like this (it's been done to mine before and I don't dig it), but if anyone sees this thread without knowing what else is going on with regard to the Dr.F study, they could get the impression that this is a non-issue since MOST vendors say they are "diacetyl-free".

I don't mean to argue with you and I understand where you are coming from. But I've seen this thread since I got on the forum and I think the list only serves to show how many vendors make a claim.

Edit: And also, since this thread has been started many vendors just began, knowingly or unknowingly, using flavors with acetyl propionyl instead of diacetyl and those two are practically the same thing. But since they are named differently vendors can effectively say "diacetyl-free" and get away with it (it's like saying sugar-free but using HFCS instead). But, once again, I understand your point and am not saying your stance is not valid. I am just growing tired of it all after several years of it (I know, it's a personal problem).

 

[eethr]

...I've seen this thread since I got on the forum and I think the list only serves to show how many vendors make a claim.

Now I see what you mean.

I haven't been following this forum for awhile, so I don't know about all the other threads about this subject. Is there one which better covers the actual big picture of the topic?

 

[Mr.Mann]

Yep...http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/517858-donate-dr-farsalinos-new-study.html (The "donation" part is over and now we're just waiting on the fully published results. Hop over and give a read.)

 

[eethr]

Yep...http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/517858-donate-dr-farsalinos-new-study.html (The "donation" part is over and now we're just waiting on the fully published results. Hop over and give a read.)

Thanks, I'll do that.

 

[Oliver]

OK, in light of Dr. F's study, and what's come out as regards the stated lack of diacetyl and what's actually present, I feel this list needs to be retired.